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SECULAR INDIA???
submitted 2 months 25 days 15 hours ago by: mianjee : 25 comments
The people who are in love affair with indian secularism should update themselves as after muslims now christions are under fire.
A few days back In jammu , muslim truck drivers were killed by hindus in reply to muslim protest against shrine board decision about land allocation in kashmir. In ahmed abad and other cities of Gujrat , it is difficult to be a muslim
Now these extriemists are after christions....Why the international media is quite which makes a hue and cry on a single christion killing in pakistan????
Here comes their prujidice approach...we should admit
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Mianjee,
Firstly, international media is not quite. I have read both reports on BBC website. Have posted few for your perusal:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7584183.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7582887.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7553531.stm
Secondly, secular state does not mean that every individual living under its jurisdiction will also be secular.
A secular state does not recognize religion as a matter of consideration while legislating e.g. no restrictions on making a Muslim or a Christian president, prime minister, CJ or COAS in India. In other words state will not consider majority or minority religious beliefs in its state affairs.
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long live PAKISTAN Insha Allah
Babar: i dont think you are so unaware of real situation. You takign about the country where they make a muslim president who have no authorities but they cant bear a muslim beaurocrate, tehsildar or civil servent...
On international level this minority killing attitude is not being well condemned because India and US have natural alliance...You remember when in east taimur there was christion killings and US and otehr forces made it a seprate country?
Now they all are yellign on DARFUR crises where even they cant present a proof oif massive killings of christions...
It is just becasue these countries are muslims.
1- Like I have also said in previous post that India is a completely secular country. The law does not discriminate individuals on religious grounds.On an individual level discrimination can be possible & only education can solve this problem.In contrast, the discrimination in Pakistan is two fold i.e. at both individual and state levels.
2- US has no moral standing, therefore no point discussing them here.
All independent media (US or elsewhere) was very critical of India on all its human right violations. However the scale of Darfur can't be compared with Indian violation. Crimes in Darfur were far bigger and culprits does not deserve any symothy merely on grounds of common faith we share with them.
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In a parliamnetary system Mianjee.. President is just a symbol. All powers reside in the Prime Minister. In Pakistan, you cant even appoint a powerless hindu President.
It is about our consitution..Ammend it ... please be advised that in pakistan hindus, christions and parsies are in civil services, private jobs, police and customs..but this ratio is very much lesser in India...
It is about our consitution..Ammend it ... please be advised that in pakistan hindus, christions and parsies are in civil services, private jobs, police and customs..but this ratio is very much lesser in India...
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It is about our consitution..Ammend it ... please be advised that in pakistan hindus, christions and parsies are in civil services, private jobs, police and customs..but this ratio is very much lesser in India...
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oho...yeh kai ho raha hai...yet i was writing and it was pasted thrice....sorry ...
Babar: indian secularism is a lip service...This religious prujidice is there in state authorities as neender singh moodi did play a major role in Gujrat unrest against muslims , he was CM there and again he got majority there...Which shows that Hindu majority likes the butcher who slaughtered hundereds of muslims...
Gujarat is one state if you can't generalize 160 million Pakistanis for Talibans, same way you can't stereo type 1 billion Indians for few thousands in Gujarat. All type of people live in all countries.
We need to put our house in order. Who cares what others are doing when we have so much more to do at home.
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Dear mianjee,
There has been killings between shias and sunnis too, are they highlighted.Taliban a islamic organisation is exploding bombs in pakistan. Pakistan authorities then talk with taliban for ceasefire.
Do you know how may muskims are there in surat and baroda?
Please visit india to see before making comments and believing whoever told you that being a muslim it is difficult to live in Gujrat. I dont justify the massacre in gujrat but i would like you to read indian history specifically aurangzebs history.
if narendra modi is at fault some people in pakistan are no different.
Dear Babar...
It is the most powerful group in indian political corridors...BJP is an extriemist org. which crushes the minority and it takes hundereds of seats in whole india...what it shows??? it shows an extriemist approach flurishing in india...In pakistan we have talibans which are extriemist but they are not popular in public...In last election even people didnt vote to semi-religious parties like JI and JUI... you cant compare the both cases
Dear J.Pura: None of our internal clashes lead to minority killing but in india it does. Our Sunni shia clashes dont harm christions and hindus...You will be surprised to learnn that in Bajur agency there are more than 100 sikh families , they are business men and no taliban or islamist group threats them or harms them...Isnt it elighten moderation ?
You cant defend massive killings of Gujrat nor of Harrisa ...
What in any of my previous post made you feel that I am defending any killings? I am only trying explaining difference between extremists and moderates. Extremists are there in every religion including Islam and Hinduism. Since you can't blame JI for actions of Mullah Umar same way BJP can't be blamed for N Moodi's.
Taliban may not have killed Sikh community in Bajur but they have killed many others in Pakistan (some Muslims some not). There is nothing that you can say to make me change my mind on Taliban. Frankly speaking I do not see any difference between Taliban and Moodi, both are extremists.
One being Muslim and other Hindu does not make them better then each other.They are both animals.
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Babar:
BJP has no comparison with Taliban. Taliban are far better than Exterimist BJP.
Taliban are not targettting other faiths. Taliban are political exterimist. Due to improper policies of pakistan and due to helping USA to kill lacs of muslims in Afghanistan, taliban feel hateness for pakistani govt. So their all steps are to change the policy of pakistan.
If u see the history of india u will come to know that office bearers of BJP always lead the cruility with muslims. whether it is babary masjid or gujrat incident. It is an open fact the when ever hindu muslim lah took place. Gen public of hindus who have no regular link with religion they get invloved in clashes and raped and killed thousands of muslim women in a very bruthal way like putting steel bars, rods and knifes in their veginas after raping .....
Their is no such concept in taliban to clash with others just becuase of faith. Do u ever heard that hindu woman is raped by some muslim in pakistan by religios exterimist. Simply know. but u know what happened in gujrat and what is happening in kashmir.
Babar: Dont pretend that u don't know the real face of hindus in india.
Saqib:"Taliban are not targettting other faiths. Taliban are political exterimist."
haha! O bhai meray saqib.. remember Bamiyan Buddhas?!
Budhas are not humen and those were not being used for worshiping. This step has no comparison with brutality by hindus in india and kashmir
They are a representation of faith for Buddhists! Taliban had no right to destroy those statues. It indicates their narrow mindedness regarding other religions. Same thing happened to Buddha statues of Swat.
Forget other religions.. Taliban hate the shias. In Parachinar they are actively involved in killing of shias.
In para chinar indian hand is involved. At first shias were given training of arms in afghanistan by india and then shias tried to dominate sunnies in para chinar by use of force. this lead to clasheds between shias and suniies.
Now we should try to stop this clash. Both sides should sealize that they are playing in the hands of enemies of islam.
So basically 'shias' are being supported by Indians and brave sunni muslims are fighting against both shia and Indian infidels? :)
First tellme ur full opinion aboout para chinar clashes than i will tell u the reality.
All I know is that shias and sunnis are killing each other since ages. Now Taliban are involved.
Babar:
What do u say about killing of more than thousand muslims in Rail Car coming to pakistan. All muslims were burnt to death and doors of train were completely locked so that no muslim could escape. Muslims were burnt to death because they were muslims.
There are big nos of incidents that hindus when ever take chance of buring the muslims they burnt hunderds of muslims till death. Their is no such brutal concept in taliban. In Islam, it is not allowed to kill the enemy by burning even in jihad. If some muslim will kill some kafir during jihad by burning. It will be considered un justified killing and that muslim will be punished by islami court in such case.
But it seems that hindus love peak of brutality. It is their passion to kill muslims by fire and to put knifes and steel bars in vaginas of muslim women when ever they take chance. These hindus are so powerfull that govt official even help them and security forces fail to control exterimist hindus.
Postman: No body can defend Taliban's destorying of statues... Hazrat Ameer Moawya when conquered Sisly there was a statue made of Gold , he sold that Statue to non-beleivers and gained capital for islamic state...Mohammed Bin Qasim didnt touch any mander in sub-continent ...people embraced islam due to his behaviar...
Talibans are extriemist in all ways...they take stand on non-issues mostly...this is due to their illitrate leaders
Saqib just did Mianjee! You saying nobody can defend them :)
I have nothing that can convince you saqibrauf. Some people are just beyond reason.
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