Is this our CULTURE?
submitted 2 months 13 days 10 hours ago by: samia.sheikh : 62 comments
On Saturday and Sunday while switching my TV Channels I swtiched to HUM TV and started watch the Launch shows of two new drama serials "KHAMOSHYAN" and "MERE PASS PASS-SEQUEL".
Well the launch show was ok but during that show I saw a few dance performances and started thinking is this our culture they are portraying. Well 2nd wife of an Actor/Director Shamoon Abbasi, Umaima Abbasi was giving a very vulgar dance performace on stage wearing indecent clothes with men. A person sitting with his family can bearly see that performance made by her. And her husband was very happy to see her on stage. Well I have to ask our society why these women are on stage? What is the difference between these women and the women who are dancing in the most low areas of Pakistan. In the same program Moamar Rana also gave a very indecent performance. Well the thing is we live abroad and when the people from other countries ask us that Is this your culture than sometimes we dont have any answer in reply. So these things are just spoiling our culture and the respect for women is simply fading in our society.
Regards,
Samia
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oh so thats her name..umaima abbassi.
well samia, this girl has just completed a dance course n is demonstrating her newly acquired skills on slightest provacation :) have u watched the tarang ad with her in it????
Well has she really completed such a course. HEr dance performance doesnt show a bit of it.
:) i was just trying to console u
If this picture is of Umaima, then trust me, she can do no wrong in my book
It is what they all are doing in the name of Performing art..They are responsible to the current plight of our culture. All the world accepts that the culture should carry the local nomrs, religon , morase and taboose but they dont accept.
In indian dramas they always keep their religon and local norms ahead..Bhajans are always there. but our media people have a complex that if they will follow their society then they will be taken as "conservatives" and "PAINDOO"
man - i need to see this show :P
Ah...If our this Tamshbeen nature continued then we all will see these shows in every street, corner and in every home.
Today.....most of the women are like this,,,,,,,,
Do you wear islamic dress.........if dont then fisrt correct yourself and then tell others.
also wearing deep necks, tight fitting, see through, sleevelss are also prohibited.
:)
I hope it comes to blows now!
@ saima.sheikh
@ PINKY
This dance performance was indeed after attending a "dance course".
Imagine how it would have been otherwise...??
Let's first understand what the definition of Culture is:
"Culture is a way of life of any society which keeps on evolving with time"
So if you look around, the electronic media is just showing that and that's exactly what our present culture is. Right or Wrong is always relative and we are no one to judge that.
Now on to the basic questions asked:
Well I have to ask our society why these women are on stage?
Why not. If a women has the right to wear burqa in the street, why can't another women wear whatever she wants. This is basic human right of every individual. Why should we judge the acts of other people and criticize them Let God be the judge. We humans have no right to interfere in the private lives of other people.
What is the difference between these women and the women who are dancing in the most low areas of Pakistan.
Women living in the red light area are aslo humans with same rights as a housewives. Morality is relative. May be a women of that area will be in paradise and many mullahs will rot in hell. Who knows.
Well the thing is we live abroad and when the people from other countries ask us that Is this your culture than sometimes we dont have any answer in reply.
Speak the truth. Yes this is our culture and we should own it, if we like it or not.
So these things are just spoiling our culture and the respect for women is simply fading in our society.
Our culture is simply changing with times. Good or Bad, I say again, is relative.
Take Care
Dr. Irfan Zafar
But Dr. Irfan if a woman wants to roam around naked(Sorry to say) will the people of our society let her do that. I'm sorry I dont agree with your answers at all. Its not about rights. Rights of a woman and a man should be specific and to the point keeping in mind modesty and morality.
Morality is relative. For some a simple haircut can be outrageous but for some a bikini can be a modest outfit. Yes if a women wants to roam around nked, it's he right to do so and she will be responsible for her own act. Who are we to preach her what is right and what is wrong. Let God be the Judge not us.
Take Care
Dr.Irfan Zafar
Hmmm
Irfan, why do you think societies decided to be governed by laws?
I'm talking about PAKISTANI WOMEN brother for them bikini must not be a modest outfit. Well we are not the one to preach her but there must be some rules and regulations in the country to be followed. If everyone thinks that doing everything is his or her right than what is the use of having these religious or social boundries. If someone has converted from a Muslim to some other religion you'll again say its her right. Comeon. Everything is not your right.
chalo ge..........saray bachay itni achi theory paish karnay par Dr. saab ko salute karo
Samia!
Right tau hai. You can't question that!
No matter how many rules and regulations there are. Rights are not something that we can say are granted by others. Rights are for us to decide. One can violate any rule and any regulation and that would be his right. It is the consequences that one can find hard to escape.
Converting is most certainly the right of a person!
Ok folks see u a lil later. Ta. :)
I don't think so Iola. Be realistic and specific. Thats not right.
If you think that the right of roaming naked should be given to women, then erase Islamic Republic from your country's full name
"Rights are not something that we can say are granted by others".
Well said
I'm talking about PAKISTANI WOMEN brother for them bikini must not be a modest outfit.
Do find about certain parties in Pakistan where Bikini is a very modest dress. Trust me.
I believe in true democracy and the protection of rights for all, no matter what their religion is and no matter what they wear or say. This is their personal business. Why should a state regulate personal choices of the citizens.
why do you think societies decided to be governed by laws?
Those are for general guidelines and do not govern individual choices. Plus their are also nude beaches in the world where wearing clothes is against the law. So it varies for different societies however the fundamental right of any human being to live the way they want to cannot be questioned.
Take Care
Dr.Irfan Zafar
Not talking about what is right and wrong but the inherent right of a person to make his or her own choices. What is unrealistic and vague about that dear?
I have not talked about granting them that right. It's just there. If let's say, I want to kill someone, I will just go ahead and do it. I have the right to do what I want or don't want to do. The country doesn't matter. The religion doesn't matter either.
Do remember this:
Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "Whoever amongst you sees an evil, he must change it with his hand; if he is unable to do so, then with his tongue; and if he is unable to do so, then with his heart; and that is the weakest form of Faith".
[Muslim].
We are not talking about women rights...We are talking OUR CULTURE. so be specific about it...
"Culture is a hybrid of norms, values, living style, morase , taboose, religon, language and demographics"
In the name of liberty and freedom no one can be allowed to destroy the culture of our society. As from the given example , how many of our family girls do so ? Neither of mine do nor of others....Then what is being presented which is not relevent to us all? Keeping religon aside...Does our local norms allow this? Even our non-muslim women of country do avoid this stuff.
Dr Sb,
State has to govern the personal choices at a certain level becasue when we admitt to live in a state then we come under a sciological agreement which bounds us to follow what ever is the choice of majority.(Imrani Mohaida)
And in OUR CULTURE choice of the majority is not what is being shown in the shows.
The bikni outfit of parties you are talking about is in 0.0002% percentage...How can they dominate the rest of 99.9888%
right mianjee. Plz focus on the larger ratio...
No comments. Not in the mood! Apologies. Some other time maybe.
TAIMUR .
What ever we see in movies and in cinemas is not our culture what ever these people try to show public /viewers is just something which would entertainment and people would like it and they can earn money .So its not our culture.
BUT WHY DO WE HAVE TO SHOW OUR CULTURE IN TV DRAMAS AND MOVIES IN CINEMAS ?
TAIMUR .
People want to see these thing on TV and alot of more dancing in cinemas so these movie makers make these things so that people come to cinema and watch and pay money or TV dramas get advertisers.
"The bikni outfit of parties you are talking about is in 0.0002% percentage"
My only view is that they have the right to live and breathe the way they want to. Secondly killing another human cannot be compared as one is causing harm to the other. I don't see any harm caused by a bikni wearing women to anyone. And if you conside that it is, then I personally find the Burqa very offensive. Now this is my personal view and say if I start to force my views and tell the women to take off her burqa, how will she feel. So let people live with freedom.
Take Care
Dr.Irfan Zafar
Its a very fine line you have to tread on what defines culture and what is acceptable in the society or not.
Dr. Irfan, if you consider yourself a true democrat then you should (1) express your views without any considerations to censorship (which you did) AND (2) agree with mianjee's observation 0.0002% AND (3) say that they (subjects of this thread) have the right to express themselves how they want AND 4) accept that if majority of populace does not want such things to be shown on popular medium.. then it should not be.
Yes such things happen. Prostitution does take place even if I close my eyes to it and believe that I live in the Islamic republic. But even if I agree that it happens.. I just cannot go and open a prostitution house just because it happens!
Society is an aggregate of people. Society has certain norms (right or wrong) just as people have acts (right or wrong) - all subjective I agree. People might accept a girl in jeans.. they'll never accept a couple making out in the park!
The problem is that when you start showing such acts on popular medium... society gets polarized becasue there is anti sentiment to it. Extreme polarization leads to hatred, fanaticismand all this points to chaos which no body wants.
Postman - I second d above!!! :)
PostMan: Excellent job there.
How come you managed to make sense somewhere? :)
DR IRFAN,
As you yourslef admit that minority should not try to overcome the majority so the arguments end here. the so-called modern class is minor and they should respect the sentiments of majority...it is the basic rule to live in a group/society.
TAIMUR:
I agree they dont represent the culture but they are trying to influence it. they are trying to change the mind set and this change will result in change of culture.
Mainjee you are very wrong there in the first paragraph. They are the influence group. Wrong conclusion entirely.
IOLA:
I said they are minority and they should not try to influence the majority....
YARAB WOH SMJHAY HAIN NA SMJHAIN GAY MERI BAT
YA UN KO DAY DIL AUR YA MUJH KO ZUBAAN AUR
I repeat the concept is wrong! Each society has its power groups. It's neva that simple that a group in minority should not try to influence the majority.
That's what you should understand.
The verse is amusing indeed. :)
Why do we need to dominate or otherwise the minority/majority groups. Why not let everyone live in Peace.
Take care
Dr.Irfan zafar
Strange question and connection.
1.You don't need everything.
2.Some things are just there. Face it!
3.Peace is often an internal matter. :)
4.A leader is mostly chosen by the followers.
5. Nothing wrong with having the will to dominate.
You know what the problem with our society is, we are more concerned about cosmatics and non-issues; the one's the western world has simply risen above and look at them how they have excelled in almost every imaginable fild of life. And here we are, stuck between Burqa and Bikini. That's the reason for our downfall.
Take Care
Dr.Irfan Zafar
oh come on Doc :) dont be so hard on us..
every society is like that :) They are concerned with their own issues and we are with ours. Burqa and Bikini represent the contours of this moulding society.. you have to address issues related to them and talk about them. Or dont talk about them if you dont want to :)
Irfan Zafar: And here we are, stuck between Burqa and Bikini.
Personally I get stuck between bikini and body paint art *wink*!
Doc why you are stuck with Bikini. Tell me no offense will you allow your wife and daughters to wear bikini in public????or is this their right???
"will you allow".... Who has given we humans the right to allow or not to allow other human beings. Let's not interfere and force others. This is humanity.
Take Care
Dr.Irfan Zafar
Well DOC we are not talking about humanity but about our culture and its well being. How to maintain it. Then why we have countries, societies, religions in the world. Then there is no use of them. Then there should be a law "DO WHATEVER U WANA DO".
Dear Doc & IOLA:
Your views are good to listen but not practical...We are talking about practical things..The culture which is being molded to wrong side and the influence groups who are exploiting the masses for the marketing of their programs.
If every one will be allowed to do everything then all the units of society like family, freinds, opinion groups and society itself will come to an end. The idea of liberty you are talkign about has been practiced by euorpe and amrica and now their social system is on death bed. You must have read the legisilation in UK which was about "punishment of childern"..Finally they are comming to that family unit which we are trying to leave
"our culture"
Saima thats what I am trying to say that our culture has totally taken a u-turn (many factors) and in coming years the percentages will drastically change (i.e. 0.0002% &99.9888%) .... it is already changing. Just look at the kids or O/A Level students around, are they not totally opposite to our generation. But it's again just a evolving thing and we will have to accept it even if we like it or not.
Take Care
Dr.Irfan Zafar
"The culture which is being molded to wrong side"
Who will decide what is right and what is wrong ?.
Take Care
Dr.Irfan Zafar
Humanity is being respectful of the rights of others. Right there Irfan.
Petty issue! Agreed upon. :)
Is preaching wrong? No, it is perfectly the correct thing to do. I am
preaching almost all the time. Don't commit suicide. Watch the Danish cartoons
and so on. It's a way of spreading what you believe in and a means to influence
others. The choices are always individual.
If you tell a woman to take off her burqa because you find it offensive, how
will she feel was that other point you had, to say let ppl live freely. Then
you say this is a way of getting peace. Then you say that killing is wrong
because it is a way of harming others. All three points contradict each other.
An offensive comment is just as destructive as an offensive action like
murder. Both cause pain. So there a parallel is drawn unconciously by you. Ppl
draw lines when they don't want to get hurt. If we say let there be complete
freedom of choices, there is nothing to argue about because that right is
there. But when you say let there be complete freedom for peace, we have to sit
and decide which things are the harbinger of peace and which are not.
I found this issue petty and didn't say a thing about it so your comment
immediately after mine stating
"You know what the problem with our society
is...downhill" was not a direct answer to the points that I made. Do you
actually have anything to say there? I mean to the reply of why should there be
domination of one group over the other? Were you hedging or you agree with what
I had to say???? :)
Mainjee! Where did I say that let ppl do whatever they want to? I only say no matter what the laws, the requirements and the expectations from others, ppl do what they want to. THAT IS A FACT to the extent of being AN AXIOM.
IrfanZafar: and in coming years the percentages will drastically change (i.e. 0.0002% &99.9888%)
really?! damn!
I shudder the thought of being gay!
:p
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