Indo-Pak public opinion on Kashmir issue
submitted 1 month 22 days 8 hours ago by: Babarzm : 39 comments
A WorldPublicOpinion.org poll of the Indian and Pakistani publics reveals that half or more are open to a range of possible outcomes for Kashmir other than it being part of their respective countries. On neither side is there strong majority opposition to Kashmir becoming an independent country or dividing Kashmir between Pakistan and India.
The idea that received the lowest level of opposition is for Jammu and Kashmir to become independent. Three quarters of Pakistanis called this outcome desirable or acceptable. While 50 percent of Indians said this idea is unacceptable, the other half said it was at least tolerable or did not provide an answer.
However the greatest indicator of flexibility is that Indians as well as Pakistanis express a readiness to have the Kashmiri people decide their fate.Respondents were asked to "suppose the majority of all Kashmiris, including those on both sides of the Line of Control and refugees, want Kashmir to be an independent state." In that case only 35 percent of Indians would find independence unacceptable. Among Pakistanis, only 11 percent found this outcome unacceptable.
A major controversy between India and Pakistan are the militant groups fighting against Indian control in Jammu and Kashmir and carrying out attacks against civilians in India in opposition to Indian control of Jammu and Kashmir. A majority of Pakistanis say Pakistan's government does not provide support to militant groups that conduct attacks against civilians in India, while a majority of Indians tend to believe it is providing support.
Overall both sides endorse their own governments' approach to the conflict over Kashmir, especially Pakistanis (Indians 57%, Pakistanis 68%). Only minorities on either side call for their government to take a harder or softer line on the Kashmir issue in its dealing with the other country.
Details available at:
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/home_page/511.php?nid=&i...
What is your take on the issue?
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Unfortunately Kashmiri population was not included in the survey. I complete support the legitimate right of Kashmiri people to decide for their fate.
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How is their fate in their hands in reality?
A wish
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the indian government has a secret agenda.
kashmir is the last hope for indias overwhelmingly low quality human breed. mostly dravidians who are also less well-endowed.
their women want the hot kashmiri men and they would readily cheat o them with us. a kashmiri man can seduce an indian woman easily. bcos we have better wuality genes they would want us to impregnate them so their children can be as virile and handsome as us.
already goodlooking muslim men are drinving hindu girls crazy. all the time hindu sikh men are comlaining that muslaas are stealing their women. we are also circumcised making ours look more shapely and better.
Yes and this way, Kashmiri man, India women can have good looking, dumb ass kids as your post indicates
Kahmiriman,
Thanks for highlighting the core cause behind the Kashmir dispute. I am sure future UN resolutions will consider above in their decision making regarding Kashmir issue.
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im not joking. kashmiri men when they go to mumbai, delhi they get a lot of indian girls. they flock to us readily.
also a lot of older indian women come to kashmir in the name of tourism to get them satisfied by attractive kashmiri men. some of them would go back and write articles on the beauty of kashmir and talk about some war and militancy shit etc. but from inside.....heehehe.
I agree, Kashmiri people are beautiful (men and women). But how does that relate to our topic?
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KashmiriMan... what if the core issue was not kashmiri men rather kashmiri women? damn! we pakistanis are losers!
What rubbish you people are talking?
Kashmeer is the part and parcel of Pakistan and that's it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RizSh
Rizzy84,
Are you Kashmiri?
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I'm not Kashmeery. I'm Pakistani and born in Lahore, Punjab. It's not neccessary to be a Kashmeery to vote for Pakistan.
I just can't understand why are all of you trying to prove that Kashmeer or Kashmeeris don't want to be with Pakistan.
Ok, suppose, they don't want to be with Pakistan................ that doesn't mean we leave them alone.
I just want to ask: Being humans and Muslims, have they no relation with us? Can any relation be there on the basis of Pakistan only?
RizSh
I support legitimate right of Kashmiris to decide for their own fate. Personally I feel that Pakistani Kashmiris are split between total autonomy or joining with Pakistan.
Your previous statement looked more like 'imposing will' instead of 'facilitation'
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:p
Kashmiris don't say what she is saying Barbar!
Kashmiris loathe pakistanis...
Exactly!
I doubt that postman.
My grannie is a Kashmiri but she does not loathe me ;P. In fact, I am her favorite grandson ;)
On a serious note, I think Kashmiri have a split vote between Pakistan and Independence. We have no way to knowin absence of a survey.
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Babar, this family diversification thing is getting out of control, seriously
Do you speak for everyone?
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Pretty sure I do
So to recap:
Your cousin is Bengali
Granny is Kashmiri
Father is Punjabi
Brother is Pathan
Sister is Balauchi
Wife is Sri Lanka
Child is Chinese
Did I miss anyone?
Yes me?
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my great garnny was a kashimiri.. havent had a chance to meet her :p
But the sentiments that I get from anyone who goes to kashmir.. regarding pakistanis.. is not nice.
(Yes Khalifa I know you hate such kinda talk of relatives and 'someone' saying so and so..! but this is what it is :p)
pOST MAN & iOLA:
i visited kashmir many many times and remained in those camps you just talk about...there is a sentiment against pakistan but that is not majority, That segment is from Mirpur area and control line areas. They are against us due to the reasons:
1-Mirpuries are against becasue they are well setteled and they are very influencing group of kashmir Govt. Most of them are UK setteled and have a bend towards india, Their youth have a fascination which is created by india media
2-Control line area people are also of two types
A: those who work as informers for both side army...They change their loyality according to the monetory rewards they receive from either side
B: these are common men who suffer alot due to indian bombarment. They loath us becasue they see silent guns of pak army whenever india resumes shelling in their areas. Moreover. kashmiri puppet Govt and pak govt do nothing for their shelter, employment and agriculture. Their insecurities make them harsh about their current side.
Now the remaining people who are refugees or migrated from occupide kashmir , please go and check their sentiments.They love pakistan more than us.
Has Pakistan done right by the provinces it currently has?
Anything short of independence would be a sell out. Despite being land locked, Kashmir can have a thriving economy and not just from tourism; for starters, we could start charging both India and Pakistan water tax. So there you have it, the pure opinion of a pure, inbred Kashmiri :)
kashmir can definitely have a good economy.
kashmir can become a very good destination for sex tourism (for women) due to its attractive kahsmiri men in the backdrop of natural beauty.
Khalifah,
87% of Pakistanis and only 29% of Indians support total independence for Kashmiris. Furthermore majority of Pakistanis oppose the division of Kashmiris between India and Pakistan (52% v 42% of Indians). 35% of Indian public does not support 'letting the Kashmiri people decide' against only 11% in Pakistan.
Khalifah we do deserve some credit, or is your 'loathe' for Pakistani people is so much that you can't even appreciate the results of above survey?
Personally, I support Kashmiris' right to decide, even if Kashmir becomes an independent state or join India. Provided I get to keep my Grannie ;P
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Yes, because both we and the Indians know what the outcome of self determination by the Kashmiri's would be. And it would be no different if any of the current provinces of Pakistan were given the right of self determination today
I have full faith in power of public opinion. This process may take some time but it is the only right way.
Disintegration can be one possibility (nothing wrong if democratically pursued) but personally, I feel that this will not be the case. I am sure many in my generation now feel 'truly Pakistani' (and not Punjabi, Sindhi, Kashmiri, Balochi, Pakhtoon or Urdu speaking migrants). We have been through the tough phases of Nation building. As a result of those sacrifices by previous generation (of which I am very proud of), we are better off today & we are more Pakistanis today.
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Sacrifices?!!
The reason we are in this limbo is the absence of the spirit of sacrifice. No one, as of yet, has made any sacrifice on behalf of Pakistan
Well yes, no such sacrifices are reported in books of yours. But there are hundreds of people who have faced lashes, political imprisonments, tear grasses, rubber bullets etc ... alas media was not allowed to report all that back in those days.
Let me remind you of a poem by Faiz. I hope it will help refresh some memories:
Speak, your lips are free.
Speak, it is your own tongue.
Speak, it is your own body.
Speak, your life is still yours.
See how in the blacksmith's shop
The flame burns wild, the iron glows red;
The locks open their jaws,
And every chain begins to break.
Speak, this brief hour is long enough
Before the death of body and tongue:
Speak, 'cause the truth is not dead yet,
Speak, speak, whatever you must speak.
The followers of Faiz has faced a lot to bring Pakistan to where it is today. We should always acknowledge their sacrifices
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You must be living in a make believe world; to date there has been no struggle and no one has sacrificed for the country. Please learn to accept the obvious and don't argue for the sake of arguing. FACTS speak louder than poems
I don't have to agree with your ignorance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habib_Jalib
You call that a struggle!
That's pacifism;a characteristic that defines everything that is wrong with Pakistan and the people living within its borders
We don't need cheesy couplets but a real revolution, a civil war that will restore power back to the people
The sword is always mightier than the pen
Thanks for sharing that link though, at least I learned something from it; that Neelo is braver than the Jalibs
If people want civil war like Iraq then god bless our country.
Trouble I am facing in teaching you a bit on above subject is lack of properly published evidence. I know that you are not interested in personal accounts of people, you only want published evidence.
I can give you at least 100 stories of people that I have personally known through my parents and grand parents, they have sacrificed so much. I have already talked about Mir Ghos Buksh Bizinjo in one of my previous posts. There are many other like Razzique Bughti (L), Mazhar Ali (L) & his wife Tahira Mazher Ali, B. M. Kutty, my own grand parents and parents.
These people have faced imprisonments, tear gas, lashes (I have already told you about my uncle who was lashed at age of 16yrs & only because he was a child of a political activists).
I for sure know that B. M. Kutty is writing a book, will let you know when published. Have also tried convincing my grannie to write one but it seems very difficult now since she has grown older.
Unfortunately, there is so much history of struggle and sacrifice that will go unreported.
If you are interested in knowing more, I can arrange meetings with those who are still living. Let me know when you are next visiting Pakistan.
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Thanks for the offer, I may just take you up on it.
I, however, feel that we are way past the Ghandian struggle based on non-violence and self sacrifice. The nation needs to galvanize and fight as one with a singular aim of destroying the institution of the Army. The nation is poor because of the Army, weakened because of the Army, oppressed because of the army, hungry because of the Army and most importantly, suicidal because of the Army. Rid Pakistan of this institution and the five rivers will flow again, this time though, they will be rivers of milk and honey
& I can't agree more, with only one slight difference i.e. one should never lose faith in democratic/Ghandian struggle.
I will be happy to arrange these meeting-just let me know when.
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Khalifah : "Has Pakistan done right by the provinces it currently has?"
Will keep trying & will get things right. Struggle is the path and equity is the destination. No one from outside will fix our house, have to do it on own.
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Faiz-Ahmad-Faiz
If they snatch my ink and pen,
I should not complain,
For I have dipped my fingers
In the blood of my heart.
I should not complain
Even if they seal my tongue,
For every ring of my chain
Is a tongue ready to speak.
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