Missiles for what?
submitted 6 months 4 days 23 hours ago by: irfanzafar : 23 comments
Pakistan has successfully tested a low altitude terrain following ground-hugging cruise missile capable of carrying both nuclear and conventional warheads. The Hatf-VIII (Ra'ad) missile, developed exclusively for launch from the air, has a range of 350 kilometres (217 miles) with high manoeuvrability and can deliver all types of warheads with great accuracy.
Just wondering how many hungry people can be fed, schools made, poverty alleviated and health facilities for the poor improved had we not made this missile. Missiles do not save countries from disintegration; good education, stable economy and social justice do.
Islamabad
THE NEWS (1st of June, 2008)
Dr. Irfan Zafar
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Dr. Sb.
I agree to all your posts against defence budget spending, but at the same time, I do feel that it is not something that can be completely ignored with a border sharing enemy like India, who probably would not let a single night pass, if it comes to know that our defence is weak or that we incapable or defending our borders.
Any thoughts there ?
yes its very important, but i think, pakistan have to utilized the technology now in other things, like electricity problem, road construction...etc. 80% of our budget is given to the army. Pakistani Army, what i need to say, must realized that everyone need security, better life standard(target has been achived, but not 100%), Education, Economy, etc and not missile. Its enough now. India will never attack Pakistan, because they know, that Pakistani Army can defence the country very well.
Just imagen, why people digrade pakistan, just after leaving Pakistan. The reason is, they find in foreign countries better life standard, good roads, more job opportunities, loyality etc....,
So what we have to do now is to improve our life standard, and believe me if security would be provided in pakistan, more than 50% of our CREAM living outside Pakistan, will come back and utilized their experience, to support Pakistan in every stage of life.
Lets all start eat grass and build bombs. We have been fooled on security just like the americans fooled the world in WMD on IRAQ.
THEY ARE WASTING our money on these stupid giant ideas instead of speding it on education and health.
Which idiot nation in the world would like to attack a sick country like ours?
I do not really consider India
as enemy. India
is more of a bully on the block. Most of India's
neighbors including Bangladesh
and Sri Lanka
are frustrated with the treatment they get from India.
I have learnt it from common Sri Lankan and Bangladeshis that I have met in
last 2 years.
I have learnt that almost every month Indian border security
simply shoot a Bangladeshi farmer without any warning because they assume that the
person is trying to cross the border. This type of news is highlighted in
Bangladeshi newspapers but there is no resistance to this as they simply do not
have any capacity to resist.
Considering above, if Pakistan
reduce resistance, India
will not occupy any territory – as they have not occupied Bangladeshi
territory but they will definitely treat us as some form of low life. However,
many will argue that if we spend on education and health we can gain similar or
even more respect through our prosperity and knowledge. E.g. Muhammad Yunus - Bangladeshi Nobel
peace prize winner & founder of Grameen Bank
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Yunus
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@amersarfraz
Despite spending millions of dollars on defence, how many wars have we won?
But atleast we have survived (I know you would what good have we achieved, but still !)
Who knows, without it, may be we could have been INDIA by now.
we have survived .... no sir, we have not
Irfanzafar,
Seperation of B Desh was unevitable if thats what you are refereing too. Bangladesh was always a seperate nation even when it was called east pakistan.
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Babar, that is how we would like to console ourselves for the amputation; but as you very well know that these types of statements nullify the premise on which Pakistan itself was created. Pakistan was created using the false argument that it would be a haven for ALL muslims of the sub continent. If we now make a distiction on account of race, that is, Bengali's despite being muslims are a separate race, then Pakistan as a whole loses existential legitimacy.
Kahifah,
First of all, good to have u discussing again. It is always
a pleasure to discuss thoughts and ideas with you.
Pakistan
was created so Muslims instead of being minorities in a very conservative
Indian society can actually improve lives in their own state – in theory it was
a good decision. Making Bangladesh
and Pakistan
one country was however a mistake. Just because they also happen to be Muslims
does not make them like Punjabis, Bloch, Sindhis and Pakhtoones. They were
& are different - very different. Being different however does not mean
that they are bad people, it just mean different in culture and values.
Consider a scenario where Malaysia/Indonesia/Jordan/Turkey
only on grounds that they are Muslim majority countries are combined with Pakistan
to make one state. Do you think that it will last longer? The cultures and
values are so different that I do not see it lasting even as long as B’desh and
Pakistan lasted
as one country.
My argument is simply based on differences in the two
societies i.e. Bangladeshi & Pakistani. If you know any Bangladeshi people
in US, I recommend spending time with them and you will learn that they are
very different culture.
Putting B’desh and Pak together was doomed to fail – what
happen in 71 was inevitable, they way it happened is however regrettable.
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US and France can not be combined as one country based on common Chritian faith. Think about cultural differences. EU is a workable model yet it is far from being called as one state.
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So was said of the states now comprising the USA
Come on mate. Its ok if agree.
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I don't understand this argument. By the same token Sindhis are very distinct from Pathans who are in turn culturally very different from Punjabis and Balochis, hence all the states should be granted independence.
Why do you want to rewrite history and exonerate the individuals (Bhutto, Army generals )who are solely, responsible for the creation of Bangladesh because they did not have the vision to perceive the disastrous effects of their narrow, selfish agenda
Pakistan is a country because the US wanted to leave a "Fitna" in India. (India being too big for its breaches).
The fitna lives because the great satan (USA) is supported by the decendents of Wahab.
BUT All things aside -
Pakistan exists because The Indus deserves a country to protect it.
Khalifah,
Meet a Bangali and let me know if they have less, equal or more differences
in comparison to Punjabi v Sindhi v Baloch v Pakhtoon.
I have a Bangali cousin and Baloch wife therefore I can only share
conclusions from my own experiences. Culturally Bdashi are far different from
rest of us – Bangladeshis abd Balochis that I have known agree to my
conclusions.
But of course you will not agree - just for the hack of it, I suppose
UFO,
Please get your facts right. USA
did not created Pakistan :) .
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Khalifa Gee,
Balouchi cousin and Bangali wife does not make you a know all of events that happened before any one of you were concieved. Pakistan, Nepal, Butan, Ceylon and Burma were carved out by the brits on US insistance. Also please note that you beloved Liaquait Ali Khan was killed by an afghan terrorist on US funds. This fact has been made "unclassified" by the US themselves.
To you next question "where do I get my facts" I can only say that Sir gee your education has been sadly neglected.
You have Babar Gee mixed with Khalifah Gee.
Choose your friends freely but your enemies carefully :)
UFO
It really depend what text book you picked for your history lesson. There is
much history to learn in and outside the books.
Our disrespect for each others knowledge is mutual ;)
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you dont have a choice in books. It's what they give you from the National Text Board. They choose to keep us in the dark.
WHY DONT YOU SEE OLD NEWS FILMS FROM PTV?
WHERE ARE THE ARCHIVES?
SO NOT YOUR FAULT YOU WATCH BBC
UFO,
Is it my lack of book reading or movie watching that bothers
you most? Or having an opinion different from that of yours is the issue here?
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Yes, UFO there is nothing wrong with Babar's modus operandi; he just gets his info from the horse's mouth. Apparently he has a member of every nationality in his family and he just asks them for insight
Yes,
selective reading is not my preferred choice. I like diversity reading,
watching and interacting with different people. Seems too complicated for
Khalifah to comprehend.
I hope admin can remove this debate now as it is not getting anywhere now.
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