Information Prostitution - CIA and its cohorts used "free media" to cause 1953 coup in Iran. Is history being repeated?
submitted 8 months 28 days 13 hours ago by: Babarzm : 50 comments
In following Al-Jazeera report, Sinead O'Shea reports on the way the CIA and its cohorts used the Iranian media during the coup of August 1953. It was, arguably, the world's first media coup, utilizing mass communication and so-called 'grey' propaganda for mercenary and geopolitical ends.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=wdQahc24iMs
Please watch above video. Is there a possibility that CIA is using same technique against Pakistan now? There is a general understanding that Bait-ullah-Masood have support of CIA with an agenda to create unrest in Pakistan. Is out private mainstream media also on payroll?
Is Bait-ullah-Masood successful in turning public sentiment against Pakistan army?
Abdullah Mehsud, a Taliban leader who was among the first captives set free from Guantanamo Bay detention camp is sometimes described as Baitullah's brother. Other sources merely assert that they were clansmen, or associates. Islam Online reports that Baitullah suspected that Abdullah was a double agent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baitullah_Mehsud). Is Bait-ullah-Masood also an American proxy?
What role has Pakistani media played in turning people against country's army? Pak-army & ISI is perhaps our only buffer against CIA agenda.
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- Loved the Pic
- Is there a possibility that CIA is using same technique against Pakistan now?...... Yup. Using our own people.
- Is out private mainstream media also on payroll?.......... I think some of them must be Sir
- Is Bait-ullah-Masood successful in turning public sentiment against Pakistan army?.... I think the real damage to our Army has been done by General (R) Pervaiz Musharaf.
- What role has Pakistani media played in turning people against country's army?.... No our media has not done that. It is because of our successive dictators who have done the damage to the institution of the Army.
irfanzafar: It is because of our successive dictators who have done the damage to the institution of the Army.
We do need to put our own house in order first but that does not mean others will not take advantage of the situation. After all Musharraf had approval rating of 60% just few months before the crises started (i.e. up till Jan 2007). People must also take partial blame for promoting dictatorships, army is not solely responsible.
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- Musharraf had approval rating of 60%........... These ratings are made in the Government offices
- People must also take partial blame for promoting dictatorships, army is not solely responsible..... I did not say Army. Dictators are responsible who take over the country. How come people are responsible. Even if certain political leaders help these dictators, still the dictators have taken an oath at the joining of the service that they will not interfere in political matter and will do their jobs professionally. So the blame goes to the one's who have broken our constitution repeatedly.
- 60% popularity were gallop's results. Same company that later in 2007 showed 18% popularity. If you don't believe one then must not also believe other.
-People have thrown out 3/4 dictators in Pakistan. When they are popular they rule when they become unpopular they have to go. History speaks as evidence to my claims.
Anyway getting back to our actual topic of discussion. What do you think about Iranian media coup? The documentary claim some 70% of Journalist were on USA payroll.
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May be?. But when we are talking about agencies, we do not know much. They have their own operations which we in no way can find out.....we can just guess
Al-Jazeera has quoted from a declassified document where CIA has acknowledged its role in media coup.
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Listen to this:
http://www.awaz.tv/playvideo.asp?pageId=1102
Exactly my point sir.
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Let me introduce to you another important possibility. This is a news clip from Australian newspaper "The Age":
Israeli spy chief who masterminded bombing of Western targets in Egypt
BINYAMIN Gibli, who as director of Israeli military intelligence in the early 1950s was a key player in his country's most debilitating political scandal, the Lavon affair, has died, aged 89.
Gibli initiated an illicit campaign of bombing and sabotage against Western targets in Egypt — and after being forced to resign, admitted having forged documents that falsely implicated his boss, the Israeli defence minister Pinhas Lavon, in the plot.
The affair had major repercussions. In Egypt, it arguably fuelled the 1956 Suez crisis, and hastened the departure of 50,000 Jews, who came to be seen as a fifth column. In Israel, it forced the resignation of Lavon, sparked a crisis
in the ruling Labour party involving Shimon Peres and Moshe Dayan, and ultimately demolished the career of the former premier David Ben-Gurion.
Unable to influence US policy through diplomatic means — Israel had concerns that the United States was becoming too friendly with Egypt's charismatic leader, Gamal Abdel Nasser — Gibli initiated a bombing campaign in Egypt, code named Operation Shoshana (Susannah).
The hope was that the ensuing chaos would be blamed on local communists or the Muslim Brotherhood threatening counter-revolution. Washington, they reasoned, would then shun Nasser as weak. They also hoped Britain might shelve plans to shut its military base at Suez, which Israel regarded as a bulwark.
Read rest of the story at following link:
http://www.theage.com.au/world/israeli-spy-chief-who-masterminded-bombin...
In my understanding this guy was used as a scape goat to cover up involvement of Israeli government.
My question: Is there a possibility that Israel is backing and funding some of the militants to create this unrest in Pakistan. Does Israel see close ties between Pakistan and US (which was the case till 2006) as a threat? Can Israelis be behind bribing "free media" in Pakistan?
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It's not just Israel backing but many others are involved. Pakistan is
surrounded by vultures. India, Afghanistan, Iran, Taliban, Kashmir and so
on.... Who are we going to blame for creating this chaos? We, as Pakistanis
fail to see what damages are being done by others.
I truly believe people like Hamid Mir are definitely on someone's payroll. Lets
guess on whose?
Iran minister's visit yesterday may be an indication of Iran distancing itself from this "band of vultures". I hope India can learn from our 1970's experiences and making allies within the region. Pakistan is paying price for supporting US in Afghan Jihad.
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"Desk of Government Of Balochistan in Exile based in Jerusalem, Israel. The news of declaration of Government of Balochistan in Exile on April18, 2006, was read with enthusiasm by our readers, which led us to furnish details about GOB in Exile."
http://governmentofbalochistan.blogspot.com/2006/05/dr-nazir-bhatti-edit...
Sorry shakeel but I never believe in such propaganda websites.
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not only israel , united snakes , and india are also in support of those organisations
india and israel also collaborating in defence , and president of pakistan is saying
india is no threat to pakistan, amazing
Please see this video
here is you tube link
Chachu Bush Ki Documentary - Chachu Dia Chalaakian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrgHKSRDD-w&eurl=http://www.justicedenied...
Don't you think instead of saying that others are destroying us, we are ourselves destroying our country. I think what our internal policies formulated by our own people are damaging the country more.
Very well said... If I even come close to saying something like this I get hit by a stcik because ........
i always get "hit" all the time. i am used to it now :-)
I can't agree more irfanzafar but that does not mean others will not take advantage of the situation.
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- but that does not mean others will not take advantage of the situation.... Yes/True boss they do but it is our integrity, self respect and sovereignty that is at stake. If you look at the history of Pakistan, you will find that the damage to this country has been done by successive leaders. The leaders still do not seem to have learned anything. They are repeatedly raping this country. Balouchistan and NWFP are burning. For how long these provinces can remain part of Pakistan if we do not stop the attrocities. Yes in Baluchistan, India is active. In NWFP USA is active. But they are doing their acts by using US.
I think we are exaggerating things here. My wife is Baloch and after having a heated discussion with Khalifah on Buzzvines on Baluchistan issue. I requested her to do a little research on public sentiment in Baluchistan.
Her findings are quite different from what you are supposing here. A good majority of Baloch people have a feel of depriviation but having said that they also have strong love & faith for Pakistan. Only a small minority is pro-seperation.
In my understanding one big reason is that they have integrated into Pakistani society now. There are many cross marriages with Punjabis, Sindhis etc. Several have families living in Lahore and Karachi. Hence there is a shared feel of depriviation but at the same time there is a ahred hope and sense of belonging with Pakistan.
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Babar! what if bhabhi findings came out otherwise? Like Baloch should be separated from other Pakis? ;p
It would have been devastating for my domestic life :-P Half her family lives in Quetta. Getting visas would be hard.
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This is your love and respect for your spouse. You cant even arrange 5o to 60 visas for your only wife's family. Shame on you.
You should thank to God that your wife does not visit here. Otherwise she might decide to separate herself from a Pakistani ;p
"Visit here" - Visit where?
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visiting Buzzvines bhaye
Who knows.............;oP
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On 15th December, 1971 people went to bed believing that all is well in East Pakistan. They woke up in the morning to the news of breakup of half of Pakistan. Unfortunately the situation is same here. I visited Quetta sometime back. Out of every 5 people I asked, 4 said they do not want to be part of pakistan. Last night it was in the news that all the political parties are now working to join hands to struggle for the independence/liberation of Baluchistan. Regarding FATA, listen to what hamid mir has said/reported. We have already lost it.
My wife is a Baloch, born and raised in Quetta. Most of her friends are Baloch. Why should I rule out what she and all her friends has to say? Why should I believe Hamid Mir and not all the other journalists who are telling a totally opposite tale?
Getting back to the topic of debate, there is a news that the type of arms and equipment used by Talibans in fight against Pak-army are far modern and superior to our own arms. They are using advanced communication systems and also latest sniper riffles. How did they get this technology?
Furthermore Zardari also talked about Taliban fighters getting salaries of 10,000 a month while a par-army solder getting only 7,000 a month. Where are they getting all this money?
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- Last lines first. They are getting money from USA & India. Now who are "THEY". TALIBAN?
What musharf has done is that he has tried to confuse Taliban (Students at religiuos seminaries) with Terrorists (Foreighn fighters etc). We need to distinguish that. Western world is labelling a person whi is religious as, fundamentalist. Then change from that to calling him Taliban. And once you call him Taliban, it is easy to label him as terrorist and then finally kil him.
- Dont, t belive me or any of your friends or family. Just answer to the following facts. If your answer is yes, there is then no reason for you to believe that further disintegration of Pakistan is not possible.
1. Did we not loose parts of Kashmir in 1947/48 war.
2. Did we not loose half the country in 1971
3. Did we not loose in 1965 war our control over our waters.
4. Did we not loose Siachin
5. Did we not loose in Kargil
Yes or No?........If YES.......we have always lost pieces of land since 1947 because of varied factors. Why this can't happen again sir? Facts boss....Not based on what people say. Just focus on the above facts which no one can deny.
Historical facts are relevant but cannot be generalized. Because last time when I went to my class teacher punished me does not mean that I will be punished each time I go there. Not all classes and teachers are same.
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What happens if we turn a blind eye to reality and believe Pakistan is not going to break up?
At the very least we remain unprepared for the very worst.
What happens if we get all worked up that the sky is about to fall and that Pakistan is about to break up?
At the very least we try to prepare for the very worst.
I would rather prepare for the worst case scenario and prepare accordingly, however, the choice is up to each individual based on his or her own circumstances but in any case preparation is the key
One should always think with one's mind and not be led by one's emotions. I too hold Pakistan dear and wish further breakup would not occur but the writing is on the wall and my mind tells me that we have already started rolling downhill. The choice is simple, its time to apply the brakes and stop arguing over how forceful the final impact will be. The fact is that at this moment an impact is inevitable
I don't agree but even if for a little while we assume that these analysis are correct. Lets do an objective scenario building.
3 tribal agencies declare independence. Pakistan army will move in and start operations against these separatists. In case of Bangladesh, India sent in 400,000 solders + tanks and 90,000 Pakistani troops surrendered Bangladesh to Indians. Who will come in this time? India is on eastern border and American + NATO strength is only 40,000 solders in entire of Afghanistan + they will not support "terrorists".
For sake of argument we assume that through some magic wand they still manage to separate. Whats will happen next? Americans will move their ground troops into the area and will capture those agencies. They will do the sweeping for us - no need to waste lives of Pakistani troops.
So even if for a second I buy these theories I don't see another Bangladesh like scenario here. If we don't like Pakistani army to operate against these terrorists then we should say so but no point cooking tales. Let Hamid Mir cook tales as he is being heavly paid to do so ;-P
The only problem that I see here is that of loss of innocent lives. The best solution in my understanding is to encourage local tribes to formulate Luskars. They are the only people who can distinguish between a terrorist and a common villager.
How about this absurd idea?
We ask the 'terrorists' what it is that they want and what it will take for them to desist from terrorism. If their conditions are acceptable we accept them!
This will,
1. Allow us to identify who exactly these 'terrorists' are
2. Provide constructive resolutions to real issues instead of being trigger happy
And how about this objective scenario building?
Tribal agencies declare independence, American and Nato troops occupy territory that is no longer a property of Pakistan and hence permission of Pakistan is not needed.
Finally about 40 to 50 years later this new, 'budding democracy' is recognized by US and NATO as a new country
It is not about what you and I wish or agree with, the bottom line is that all confrontational tactics will backfire and are not in the interest of Pakistan
Finally about 40 to 50 years later this new, 'budding democracy' is recognized by US and NATO as a new country
"Budding democracy" - this is something what Brits couldn't do for 190yrs and we failed in last 60yrs. I don't see any budding democracy in that region for another 200yrs
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I was being sarcastic and using 'their' language to describe the new country that would be created. Anyway, the crux of the argument is that there are scenarios that are extremely likely but which you are unwilling to entertain
Whats your opinion on the original topic of this debate? Do you see a foreign hand behind unrest i.e. Bait-ullah Masood and some media hosts being on payroll of foreign agencies?
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Of course there is a foreign hand and it is not hidden either. The US is pretty much running the day to day affairs of Pakistan and recently a much celebrated briefing was held wherein the civilian government was appraised of the policies being pursued by the army. Amazing isn't it? The army is just letting the civilian government in on their little secret but is not seeking input or direction from the elected officials and instead is pursuing an independent agenda. This is also food for thought because this tells the common man that the 'elected' government is just a cosmetic front for the same and sole power broker in Pakistan
Pakistan is in a sad and dangerous situation not because of 'foreign hands' but because our structure of governance lends itself to abuse at the hand of foreign interests. A dictator by definition is on shaky grounds because he lacks support at home and hence he leans on external power structures to support his dictatorship. That assistance unforturnately comes at a great cost. And this is the cost the nation is now paying.
God bless Pakistan
It is true that they are using persons.
babarzm you seem to be completely out of tune with what's really going on in Pakistan. Please do visit these areas and get first hand info. These areas are burning. Not much difference between now and 1971.
"These area are burning" - who is responsible? Terrorists and those who are supplying them with finances, arms and ammunition or Security Forces who are only trying to protect local tribesmen from terrorism.
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Visit .......................you will find WHO
WHO....world health Organization :o
You never know..... Wese aap kahan ghayeb hogayee thein?
Why are we going in circle here? We all very well know what is happening yet we're in denial. What are you guys getting out of arguing? Come up with a solution. This is what frustrate me the most. The gist of an argument is, how to communicate with these so called "terrorist? Who is their financial back bone? All you men could be right in your way but what now? Just remember, Knowledge is of the past and wisdom is of the future. Can the government be little wise this time (wishful thinking)?
Pakistan is in a sad and dangerous situation not because of 'foreign
hands' but because our structure of governance lends itself to abuse at
the hand of foreign interests..... KKT, absultely right.
I just have one question.. Blouchistan can't survive being within a country, how are they going to run a separate country? Bizarre!!!!!!!!!
I think letting tribes join hands with army is a good strategy in short range. Benefits are two fold:
1- They can distinguish terrorist from locals
2- They will give strong message to both Pakistanis, those who are propagating that army is killing innocent tribesmen and Talibans that no terrorism will be tolerated on their soil.
Development of FATA is the long-term solution.
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SOLUTIONS
- Stop Military Operation immediately and tell the Americans to fight their own war.
- Tell NATA/USA that if they violate our territory, we will retaliate.
Let's live with one day food with respect rather than living on our knees forever.
@babarzm................. Military is not a solution. We did that in east Pakistan and Lost it. We need to learn from history.
Policing is not "military" my dear friend. Unfortunate that Pak-army had to step in due to incompetence of our police. Pak-army is only doing police's job.
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The News: Pakistan Muslim League-N Chief Mian Nawaz Sharif has once again assured government of PML-N’s unflinching support in war against terrorism. He said there would be no point scoring on the issue.
Sharif said this while addressing a party meeting held at the Punjab House here. PML-N Chief said he expects the government to devise a joint national policy against terrorism taking all political forces on board in recent in-camera session of the parliament.
The meeting was attended by PML-N central leaders. Nawaz Sharif said it was high time and his party would support the government unconditionally to steer the nation out of crises.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=57758
Finally Nawaz also changing his stance. Denial of a problem is not solution my dear friends. These terrorists are gangs of crooks. Sometimes they hide behind religious umbrella and at other times they call them self ethnic minorities.
The fact remains that they are armed thugs and both Islamic scholars and Paktoon tribesmen have refused to associate with them.
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The News: A meeting of Muttehadda Ulema Council (MUC) held here Tuesday issued a unanimous decree (fatwa) declaring suicide attacks in Pakistan as haram (unlawful) and Najaez (unjustified).
The meeting was attended by Ulema from Jamaat Ahl-e-Sunnat, Ahle Tashee, Ahle Hadees, and the Deobandi and Barelvi schools of thought.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=57748
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- Pak-army had to step in due to incompetence of our police.... If a doctor cannot perform well, do you call a lawyer to do his job. Forces have their well defined role as per the Constitution. If police is incompetent, then the state should try to improve its working instead of working on adhoc temporary solutions. Plus don't you want your forces to be respected. History has proved that the use of military for non-professional reasons has resulted in a total disaster for the forces reputation. Let's not do this mistake again and again.
- Sir, Innocent people are being killed. Not Terrorist.