Hindu Muslim marriages and the legitimacy of children concieved during the marraige.
submitted 7 months 26 days 1 hour ago by: Taimur77 : 28 commentsFinally i decided to start another buzz on the above topic we discussed all that before in another buzz but i think its neccessary now to start another buzz just to prove that hindu muslim marriage is not allowed as some think its allowed.
Nowadays hindu muslim marriage is becoming so normal in india and many muslims are marrying hindus and if we look at the film industry an actor named Shah rukh Khan has married a hindu girl and has two children from that hindu girl .Sanjay Dutt another hindu actor had a muslim mother and his father Sunil Dutt was a hindu.If we look at the religious books of noth religions we figure out that islam allows only a muslim man to marry women from people of the book ie Jews and Christans.Hindus are not accepted as the people of the book.Quran says . "ALLAH has send his messager to every nation." and in india ALLAH may have send many messangers but ALLAH has send only 4 books and the followers of those 4 books are people of the book.
1.Torah .
2.Zabooor.
3.Injeeel.
4.Quran .
TWO POINTS I WOULD LIKE TO PROVE AND(i) Hindus are not people of the book (ii)Hindu muslim marriage is not allowed.AND another point which i would like to prove that the children concieved during this marriage are illegitimates wiether someone likes it or not .(CHADAN GA NAHIN).ummm.
Your comments, views and thoughts.
Comments
Well Taimur ur absolutely right. I always think about this and want to raise a voice...u know the children always concieve the hindu religion. I have seen it always and its a big sin to marry a hindu..but ppl think it is modernism to marry someoneone hindu or to have a religion..leme tell u onething...
I had a friend pakistan a guy, as I like abroad I also get to meet hindus so that guy had a hindu friend. She predicted that she loved him and became muslim..showing off that she is a muslim inside..fasting,praying and all. It was only for the period they were in university. She used him and our religion and later after that. She married a hindu guy.What is this. She played with Islam thats it....I felt very sad for such an atitude.Im angry wid tht guy he should have taken care of that.....wat do u say..
TAIMUR .
well Miss.Samia Shiekh i would blame that muslim guy not that hindu girl that he didn't invite that girl to islam the true religion and on the day of judgement that hindu girl may complain that the he didn't deliever the true message of islam to me.I totally blame the muslim guy as "those who know and those who don't know are not equal" so the hindu girl doesn't know and muslim guy knows everything but if we look at the muslim guy view point she converted and she was praying and fasting so no other muslim can doubt the intention of any revert to islam.So lets leave it to ALLAH .
Question: Did she marry that muslim guy?
no she married a hindu guy later. she knew already what she is going to do in future...
TAIMUR .
Opps............what can i say she pretended to revert to islam and then married a hindu guy and well she is a hindu thats what i have to say she has nothing to do with islam.
I'm sorry to say, but one dos not know of the future. May be she wanted to convert out of love but the guy was not true enough to marry her.
It's a very common problem with our society, Mostly guys, they will have an affair with a non-muslim girl but when it come to marriage, they only look for the best in their own religion. Sometimes pressure from family. Why always balme the girl? Love makes you do things beyond our control and understanding.
And who told you that there are only 4 books Taimur?
Have you ever read any of the Hindu religious texts? Gita, Upanishads, Pranas, the four Vedas, etc?
The Hindu texts may very well be corruptions of a revealed book and a great number of verses do attest to that fact
Consider the Brahma Sutra
Ekam Brahm, dvitiya naste neh na naste kinchan"
"There is only one God, not the second; not at all, not at all, not in the least bit."
TAIMUR .
Khalifah sahib there are only 4 books send by ALLAH including quran and every messanger of ALLAH has given the same message to the people they were sent that worship only one unseen god(Tauheed)but hindus can not be people of the book and ALLAH may have send many messangers in China and Russia before Prophet Muhammad(SAW) but they can not be people of the book as the followers of Rasool are people of the book and nabi can not be people of the book as they didn't get a book from ALLAH .So only jews and christans are people of the book followers of Musa(moses) alaysalam and Isha(Jesus) Alaysalam who were rasool.
@ Khalifah
I think what Taimur is mentioning to here is with reference to the Holy Quran. Only these books are mentioned in the Quran. There is no other mention of any other book/s. Hinduism or Budhism may be derivatives of the teachings of earlier prophets or may be of some other divine book. However we should rather follow and believe whats in the Quran. I dont know how far it is right to have such assumptions about another religion.
Furthermore Quran orders believers not even to befriend non-believers, let alone get married to and have a family with anyone as such.
TAIMUR .
Thankz Fallen Angel well explained .
To clarify my point further,here is a quote from the Quran, (Surah-e- Baqarah, verse 221).
And do not marry Al Mushrikat (idolatresses, etc) till they believe (worship Allah Alone). And indeed a slave woman who believes is better than a (free) Mushrikah (Idolatress) even though she pleases you. And give not your daughters in marriage to Al Mushrikun till they believe (in Allah Alone) and Verily a believing slave is better than a (free) Mushrik (idolater), even though he pleases you. Those (Al Mushrikun) invite you to the Fire, but Allah invites (You) to Paradise and Forgiveness by His leave and makes His Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to mankind that they may remember.
@FallenAngel.
Thank you for the verse. This verse indicates that marriage to an idolater or an idolatress is not allowed. It does not say you can not marry a hindu or a budhist. And No where does the Quran say that only women of the 'Book' are allowed to marry.
Now the next question you will ask is that 'obviously hindus and budhist are idolworshippers'.
The thing is... 'mushrik' could be anyone.. it can even be a muslim! anyone who considers another entity equivalent to attributes of God could be called a mushrik. Taimur says only people of the book are allowed for marriage. Quran states whoever believes in trinity is a mushrik! that rules out christians too for marriage who believe in trinity!
We believe that since we are muslims so obviously we cant be mushriks! Wrong! We also think that since others are not muslim so they are mushriks! Wrong there too! A person living in the remotest part of Congo, if says that he belives in only one God who is the lord of the universe... he is a momin! A muslim girl can marry him :p
And Quran does not forbid friendship with non-muslims!
60:08 - Allah forbids you not from dealing kindly and justly with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes,: for Allah loveth those who are just.
Quran mentions very clearly who are prohibited for marriage:
4:23 - Prohibited to you (For marriage) are:- Your mothers, daughters, sisters;
father's sisters, Mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters;
foster-mothers....
@Taimur
what is the fault of born children? why ask for 'legitimacy'?
I am a hindu girl and the person i want to marry is muslim,everything was going fine but now he is not accepting the fact if our child will follow hinduism,he says its impossible.I will follow my religion and he will follow his religion after marriage,and we both are happy with this decision.But,he says that a child can follow his religion and if child doesn't do then the sin will come on my boyfriend.Is he right?Please help me out,We both are worried for this and he is not accepting what I want
Educate the child; when he grows up he will choose the religion that appeals to his intellect
Unfortunate. This is what happens when you don't take into consideration an important aspect of an impending inter-religious-marital-relationship. Ideally, a person should decide on his own, when he/she grows up, regarding what religion to choose. This rarely happens.
What Khalifa suggests is the most logical solution - provided that both of you agree on it and DO NOT in anyway behave in a manner suggestive of the fact that your faith is 'more better'.
Better decide. Dont ruin the lives of your future children. People are very biased when it comes to their religion.
TAIMUR .
Khalifah what if the child grows up and accepts hindusim as his religion and even then his father would be responsible for that and that muslim guy will be responsible for the child s misguidence and what if that child blames his father on the day of judgement?
SO I THINK THERE IS NO SOLUTION AND BEST SOLUTION WAS IN THE HANDS OF MUSLIM GUY WHO WOULD HAVE EASILY REFUSED TO MARRY NON MUSLIMS BUT NOW THE WATER HAS CROSSED HIS HEAD..SO NO SOLUTION NOW IN MY OPINION?
PANI SAR SAY GUZAR GAYA HAI.
"and even then his father would be responsible for that " No man is accountable for the deeds of another. Don't let the Islamic Padris misguide you Taimur
6:164 - Say: What! shall I seek a Lord other than Allah? And He is the Lord of all things;
and no soul earns but against itself, and no bearer of burden shall bear the burden
of another; then to your Lord is your return, so He will inform you of that in which you
differed.
Ok lets see things from another side.
IF CHILD GROWS UP AND ACCEPTS ISLAM.
Ok now he has to live in muslim community and everyone would be asking him this question that your mother is an idle worshipper.What would his position be in his in muslim community and every knows that muslim can only marry people of the books and hindus are not and its not the fault of that child at all.Its his fathers who is a muslim and he knew every thing.
@ KHALIFAH.
Yes it would be the fault of his father as he married an unbelieving women we don't know knowingly or unknowingly .
", and no bearer of burden shall bear the burden
of another; then to your Lord is your return, so He will inform you of that in which you"
So the bearer of burden is not bearing the burden of another its his own for marrying an unbelieving woman.It his own sin, not the sin of that born baby.
Hello,
hindu and buddhist names or references are not mentioned in any of these four books. doesnt it raise a doubt about these books being not Godsend? as hindus and buddhists have a long and proved history of at least 5000 years. Isn't it possible that these books were written by humans from Arabia, who never heard of china or india (then abode of hindus and muslims)??
just a quetion :)
So curious... had they had references of Hindus and Buddhist - that would have indicated that they are Godsend?
@ M/s .Curious,
ALLAH has send his messanger to every nation.But these books are not mentioned in quran. Thus ALLAH must have send his messangers to china and India as well but they are not mentioned in quran .1,24,000 messanger were sent by ALLAH and Muhammad (SAW) was the last and final of them.
BOOKS OF HINDUS AND BUDIST ARE GOD SEND OR NOT WE DON'T KNOW AND IT DOES NOT RAISE A DOUBT THAT THEY ARE NOT GOD SEND ITS JUST THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY AUTHENTIC SOURCE TO CONFIRM IT AS ITS NOT MENTIONED IN QURAN.
@postman
GOOD REPLY
@ PostMan
@Taimur77
My bad
With "Godsend" I meant "sent by God".
"Sent by God", I meant if the books are completely a revelation of God, it should
not have local references (thats Arabia, Egypt, Isreal etc.) only, a more holistic approach is anticipated!
Another correction: i last line
isntead of 'who never heard of china or india (then abode of hindus and muslims)??'
read it 'who never heard of china or india (then abode of hindus and buddhists)??
One more question:
I had this doubt for so many years, why does God need Men to communicate to people
on earth?
When I do something wrong , say if I steal or tease someone helpless, the feeling of
uneasiness, fear and repent is, for me, the communication with God.
When I do something good, like helping the needy, the feeling of joy and
satisfaction, to me, is the communication of God.
These feeling are not "common sense" which is very much a consequence of one's childhood
upbringing and conditioning.
The gospels propounded by Prophets can affect our common sense but not the
feelings I mentioned above. Only God can mold them. Can't we consider the teachings
and life of great people like Prophet Mohammad (SAW), Isaah, Martin Luther,
Sir Sayyed Ahmed and others as guiding doctrines of our life.
I hope you will understand me, I mean no offence, I am Humble and CURIOUS...
Curious, your arguments fall in line with the teachings of Bahaullah. Are you a Bahai? No offence, just curious
curious :"
The gospels propounded by Prophets can affect our common sense but not the
feelings I mentioned above. Only God can mold them."
How do they affect our common sense?
@Khalifah
I am not a Baha'i. I know of that faith, but all these were my own thoughts, which are a result of my objective and impartial observations (and of course affected by other's ideas to some extend). I began thinking that why should I consider my faith as THE Truth and other's as false, because it is just a matter of chance that I was born in a muslim family. What if I had born in a Christian or Jew family? I would have then considered those faiths as THE Truth and adhered to them!!! And if I am the lucky one chosen by God, to be a Muslim, why are there so many UNLUCKY fellows around the world? Statistics (i.e., christians have maximum population in the world, hindus also have a significant number) astray me sometimes. I need more insight in these matters. It was only 3 days back that I expressed my feeling to someone (buzzvines) on these issues. I hope you will guide me.
@PostMan
The gospels propounded by Prophets can affect our common sense but not the feelings I mentioned above. Only God can mold them." How do they affect our common sense? I understand Common sense also common perception. e.g, For us, wandering of a lady in skirts in a busy market is a objectionable but for people in USA, they think it as normal. This perception of the same event is affected by our and their culture and what our and their role models teach or do not teach. Another example: Somebody dies, the thought of burying him/her strikes our mind, but an image of burning body might come to a hindu's mind. I think that is sense making. There are many examples. Friends, I might be all wrong, but am ready to learn. I think I am not intelligent enough to understand God, but I can still try to understand the social systems on His beautiful creation, the Earth.
Salaam,
Can you guys suggest me any forum where we can discuss these matters where more number of people are active.
that will be very helpful for me.
TIA
well these are very logical thoughts of yours Curious. I would suggest you read the following posts.. and then see what opinion you come up with. Most of these questions of yours, perhaps, are dealt in them.
http://www.buzzvines.com/ban-ahmadiyya-sect
http://www.buzzvines.com/convert-or-not
http://www.buzzvines.com/our-actions-are-not-dictated-our-religion
Don't pounce on me. But I think that one should try to live beyond religious books if one needs to live at all. If love has found its way between two people, a Hindu girl and a Muslim boy or a Jew boy and a Muslim girl, or a Jew boy and a Buddhist girl, then surely there must be something there. Who are we to judge by looking at a Surah or a Sutrah and by interpreting its meaning? Where does the question of illegitimacy arise?
Are people incapable of thinking secularly? Must we consult the books (or those who claim to know the books very well) even to decide whom we can be most happy with. Is that not our prerogative in our own life? Many of the revealed messages are cryptic, and few people if any, can truly interpret the meaning of it. Besides, the meaning would tend to change with time and geography.We are powerless to interpret the exact judgement in the exact situation based on the limited information available. So we take a consensus. And that is like asking a jury to decide. And we all know how juries decide.
But no. We must bring out the books everytime, and judge people based on the messages in them. Don't we fools realise that if anybody will judge, it is God Almighty himself, when he wants to judge. Who are we or who, I ask, are those religious leaders to take decisions on the Almighty's behalf. Is their authority just because they have learnt the books by rote?