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Hamid Mir: Israel ready to provide security to Musharraf?
submitted 3 months 7 days 7 hours ago by: Babarzm : 35 comments
The News: Friday, August 15, 2008
By Hamid Mir
ISLAMABAD:
Israeli President Shimon Peres is desperately trying to help his friend
President Pervez Musharraf and is putting indirect pressure on the
coalition government through different diplomatic channels not to
impeach him, Foreign Office sources reveal.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=16615
What do you guys think? Is Isreal really backing Musharraf or Hamid Mir still angry for taking his program off air.
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US support itself suggests the Jewish involvement.
(Apologies for commenting since I ain't a guy)
I have always used guys for both girls and boys/men and women.
Guess my English is quite basic in this respect.
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You can call us gals.
working with Israel, I think it is in Pakistan´s Economy favour. America Europe India are for us Examples
Establish a viable Palestine state & I have no problems with Israel.
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In that case Babar you should have a problem with Pakistan too because the plight of Balochi's is not much different from that of Palestinians. Or is your conscience selective?
Khalifah,
& now you are an expert on Balochistan too!
Thanks but no thanks. I know people who are involved in Balochistan politics for over 40 yrs now. Most of them are Baloch & I know what they want & what they don't. So please no lectures on Balochistan issue
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There you go again with knowing people. Is there anyone on this God forsaken planet that you do not personally know?
Apparently you do not know much about Balochistan if you are not even aware that the overwhelming majority of Balochi's favour independence for Balochistan.
I have a feeling that you belong to the class of people whose fortunes are tied to the military and exploitation of the masses.
Khalifah: I have a feeling that you belong to the class of people whose fortunes are tied to the military and exploitation of the masses.
& yet both my grandparents and father was imprisoned (multiple times) by Zia for protesting against his dictatorship. My uncle was lashed at age of 16yrs only for being son of a political activist.
I guess I understand your type now. When you don't have a logical argument you unleash personal attacks!
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To quote Mianjee "Challo gal hi muk gayee". Can we have any discussion without your relatives exploits and contacts being involved?
I wonder why I cannot pinpoint such a venerable and well connected family?
By the way, I too have a lot of very close relatives who, like you will refuse to hear any word against Musharraf. The one thing they all have in common is that they all prospered under his rule and most of those gains were ill gotten.I even asked one of them to show me how much tax he was paying - guess how much it was? ZERO, NADA!
Next time you are in Pakistan, ask your wealthy relatives to show you how they became wealthy and also how much taxes they are paying and you will know why they have convinced you that Musharraf and the military is good. Or maybe after all, we'll come to find out that it's Musharraf himself that you are related to, although trust me, that assertion will not surprise anyone.
Khalifah,
You are a total paranoid. Aren't you.
Although it is none of your bloody business. But for sake of your information my wealthy relative is a very successful Pakistani lawyer who made his fortune by practice of Law, teaching at Law schools and publishing articles on Human Rights issues including rights of Prisoners, Child labor, Women etc in several eminent international publication/journals.
My relative is also an author of a number of Human Right Publications & have also been nominated for Nobel Prize for his contributions for Human Rights.
& btw my relative has no direct or indirect connection with Musharraf or any other serving or retired army official.
I hope after this post you will stop acting like a complete Bitch.
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Next time you meet him just ask to see his tax papers...
Are you tax inspector by any chance?
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Khalifa: "if you are not even aware that the overwhelming majority of Balochi's favour independence for Balochistan"
and you base this assertion on...?
Baloch liberation movement is an indeginous struggle for indepence of the Baloch population from both Iran and Pakistan. This war has been waged non stop for the last 60+ years.
No guerilla movement can be successful without overwhelming local support and by all indications a 60 year armed struggle can only be sustained with complete support and sacrifice from the local population.
Read up on the BLA, Baloch government in exile, etc
Khalifah,
Total population of Balochistan is no more then population of Faisalabad. Almost half of residents in Balochistan are not even Baloch. A wast number of Pathans and some Sindhi and Punjabis also residing in Balochistan. There is some frustration among Baloch people due to their backwardness, but this is not to extent that they want to separate from Pakistan.
BLA is a party run by grandson of Akbar Bughti. A little investigation in history will tell you the role of Akbar Bughti in destroying the only indigenous movement for rights of Balochistan(btw it was not a seperatist movement). His motive was straight forward - millions of rupees in royalties by the state government.
Now Indian intelligence agency is training and funding BLA offering similar sorts of incentives to the grandson. This bugger is only capable to destroying some pipelines and firing rockets at police posts. He does not enjoy a popular support in Balochistan. A common Baloch is only concern about more basic issues of livelihood and separation is hardly an agenda on their minds.
BLA armed struggle does not back any more then 5 to 10 yrs. Sorry but you are totally ill informed. Where did you get all this bullshit information? I doubt that any sane writer will put such a stupidity in books
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Balochi liberation movement is not indigenous to Pakistan; it is an international struggle covering an area stretching from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran and all the way to Oman. Estimates vary but the combined Balochi population is listed around 20+ million which would cause an independent Balochitan to be listed in the the worlds top fifty nations by population and probably the wealthiest as far as resources are concerned.
Stop regurgitating the army propaganda that India is behind everything in Pakistan and that the Baloch is only concerned about their livelihood, it undermines their honorable fight for independence.
Gwadar, for example, is being built by laborer's who are 'imported' from Punjab and Sindh because the Balochi has stopped supporting Pakistan in further exploitation of its land. These people cannot be bought for a few dollars like your army generals.
Khalifah,
It seems that you like blocking any knowledge that challenge your preconceived biases. I am telling you information coming from people who are directly involved. My father-in-Law is a Baloch. I know many eminent Baloch politicians as my grandparents were directly involved in 1970s Baloch struggle for provincial autonomy.
But of course none of this will make any sense to you as you only believe in stuff that you like to believe in - regardless of reality. You can continue to live in your fantasy castle, as it hardly makes any difference
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Amazing, I give you well known facts and you give me your relatives. Now your father in law is a Balochi. Where is this going to end Babar. This is the first time I have come across someone whose sole argument involves inventing relatives of different ethnicities
By the way even if you yourself were a Balochi I would expect you to point out ground realities and facts rather than your own opinion on this issue
You really need to grow up, my man
1- I already told you at least at three previous occasions that my wife is a Baloch. If she is Baloch then what does that makes my in laws?
2- Khalifah: Amazing, I give you well known fact.
Would you please mind substantiating your facts. Any book, text, anyone who knows Balochistan. Or is it because you call yourself Khalifah, you get direct wires from god.
In absence of any formal research numbers, knowledge of people on ground can at least substantiate my claims to some extent . What do you have to substantiate your claims?
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Again I shouldn't be responsible for your ignorance and have to submit a bibliography at the end of every post.
Sigh....please let me know which 'fact' you need to be enlightened upon
Please substantiate your claim that MAJORITY Baloch want to separate from Pakistan.
Give me Anything that can substantiate. Any research figures, a popular demonstration in support of separation, reputable newspaper report, a statement by individual who enjoys a popular support among Balochis.
Anything at all.
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http://fpc.org.uk/fsblob/817.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baloch_Insurgency_and_Rahimuddin's_Stabilization
http://www.jamestown.org/terrorism/news/article.php?articleid=2374075
Let me know if you need more info on this subject and once you are through reading it go ask your relatives why they have been lying to you about this issue
Oh and also by the way; there was a large pro independence protests in Quetta in 1971
I don't know if I need to laugh on your insanity or pitty you.
1- You have failed to provide any evidence for a popular demand for independence among Baloch population.
2- 1971 protest demanded provincial autonomy & my Grand parents were part of these protests. Ask any Baloch to tell you about Shameem Ashraf Malik or Baji Naseem & they will tell you about contributions of my grand parents for 1971 Baloch struggle.
I hope you understand the difference between "provencial autonomy" and "independence". Otherwise consult a dictionary.
& btw FYI - Akber Bughti (was governor of Balochistan) crushed 1971 Baloch struggle. Yes same Akber Bughti who's grandson is bombing pipelines & police posts under BLA title. How interesting is this? The individual who crushed 1971 struggle is same & only prominent individual who has demanded for independence. Perhaps this is the reason why common Baloch is not interested in any call for independence.
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I understand your situation Khalifah. It is always difficult to search for substanial evidence when one makes big phony belony claims.
& yes I also understand your reasons to hate Pakistan. Supporting so called "Kashmir Mujahideen" was perhaps the biggest mistake Pakistan made. You represent Kashmiri community that repealed due to bad policy of Zia regime.
You should however understand that Zia was not a popular & representative president & that Balochistan & Kashmir are two different issues.
You loyality to Sharif brothers is also understandable since they are also Kashmiris....
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Did you even bother to read those articles? In fact have you EVER consulted any source other than your family for information?
Time to think outside the bun family guy
I asked a couple of Balochi's I know and I ask Google and a few other search engines, maybe I am just ignorant of Pakistani 'celebrities' but nowhere can I find any information on Mr. Shamim and Co.
I don't mean to be disrespectful but I am guessing they were not as formidable a force as your impressionable mind made them out to be
Sorry, family guy
Search Mir Ghos Buksh Bazinjo(L), Razzique Bughti (L), Dr. Hai Baloch etc. & you won't even find these names on search engines. Does that mean that they never existed? FYI These people are/were prominent Baloch politicians.
This is your problem Khalifah. Your knowledge base is limited to what one can find over the internet. I wish Balochistan was as advanced that prominent Baloch figures could havehad websites. My grandfather died some 15 yrs ago - no way he could have had a website.
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btw Mir Ghos Buksh Bizinjo was president of Pakistan National Party (PNP) & my grand pa was vise-president. PNP was the only party involved in 1971 Pro autonomy demonstrations.
I am sure president and vise-president of PNP would know more then you Khalifah.
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If you were to spell their names correctly they are all on the internet. I chose to go the internet route because it's easily verifiably, family guy
Why your Govt. dont take any action against this BLA?
Azhar_khan,
Because no action is needed. BLA makes no difference as they don't enjoy any public support. When was the last time you saw any freedom protests in Balochistan? If independence was a popular demand then there should be some protests similar to those you see in Kashmir & Palestine?
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Wikipedia
"Tensions have resurfaced recently in the province with the Pakistan Army being involved in attacks against a terrorist organisation known as the Balochistan Liberation Army.
Attempted uprisings have taken place as recently as 2005. The recent
uprising has more todo with Gas Royalty then anything else. Majority of
Balochs want to get rid of Nawab's who have exploited them and treated
them as slaves."
A new nugget by Hamid Mir. Is he gone bonkers or is he gone bonkers.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=16714
Wednesday, August 20, 2008
By Hamid Mir
ISLAMABAD:
Former president Pervez Musharraf told visiting friends on Tuesday that
PPP Co-chairman Asif Ali Zardari would never restore deposed chief
justice Iftikhar Mohammed Chaudhry because if he was restored he would
not spare Zardari.
According to one of the visitors, Musharraf
told him: “You know some PML-Q leaders suggested to me to cancel the
National Reconciliation Ordinance and restore the deposed judges before
tendering resignation as they were sure that deposed chief justice
Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry will become a big problem for Zardari.”
“I
decided not to do that. I know Zardari will not restore Justice
Iftikhar and Nawaz Sharif will fight him on this issue. Even if
Iftikhar is restored he will not spare Zardari. Let the enemies fight
with each other.”
August 19 was a unique day in the life of
Musharraf. It was his first day without power after nine years. The day
started with a breakfast with his family. He was relaxed because there
was no hurry of going to office on time. He doesn’t have any office
after 44 years but he has not given up. He was pretty sure that he
would get one soon.
He still hopes that a situation will be
created in the coming weeks when he will get a chance to play a
political role. He wants to prove that he can play a role even without
uniform.
His day started with courtesy calls from some old
friends. He sought the views of everyone about his resignation, future
of Pakistan after his departure from the office and especially about
the next president of Pakistan. Most of his friends congratulated him
on his “safe exit”.
One friend who retired from the Navy long
ago reminded him that the first military president Gen Ayub Khan was
forced to resign by the then-Army chief Gen Yahya Khan in 1969, Yahya
was forced to quit by Gen Gul Hassan in 1971, the third military
President Gen Zia was killed in a plane accident in 1988 but Musharraf
was the only one who was given a guard of honour by the Army after his
departure from the presidency.
Musharraf was happy on his “safe
exit” but he shared his disappointment about some “ungrateful” people
who left him in the last days of his presidency. One of them was the
sitting Chief Justice, Abdul Hameed Dogar. He became chief justice on
Nov 3, 2007 after the imposition of emergency by Musharraf. Dogar also
validated the extra-constitutional acts of Musharraf after Nov 3.
Musharraf contacted Dogar through a very prominent lawyer in the first
week of August 2008. Musharraf wanted a stay order from the Supreme
Court against the impeachment motion announced by the ruling coalition
to oust him. Dogar regretted and disappointed Musharraf.
One
friend suggested to Musharraf not to stay in Pakistan for a while. He
mentioned a suicide bombing in Dera Ismail Khan. A concerned friend
told Musharraf that extremists would try to harm him in Pakistan and he
must take extraordinary precautionary measures.
Musharraf
received a lot of telephone calls from his relatives and fans mostly
from Europe and America. They expressed their solidarity with the
former president and said Nawaz Sharif and Asif Ali Zardari would start
fighting with each other and Musharraf should stay in Pakistan just to
watch the “Tamasha”.
One friend of Musharraf informed him that
Zardari wanted to replace him with a woman as the new president of
Pakistan. Musharraf laughed on this information and claimed “as long as
Maulana Fazlur Rehman is part of the ruling coalition, no woman can
become president of Pakistan.”
Musharraf watched different TV
channels in the afternoon which were showing celebrations by the public
on his departure. Musharraf smilingly commented “all these TV wallahs
will be taught great lessons by Zardari and Nawaz Sharif soon,” saying
in Urdu: “Inko Nani Yaad Aa Jaey Gi”.
Musharraf enjoyed songs by
Rafi in the evening. He listened to his favourite song “Chal Urr Jaa
Rey Panchi Key Aab Yeh Dais Hoa Begana”. After enjoying music he called
a friend again in the evening and told him “I am here, I will not run
away I am not a ‘Panchi’ who will fly away from Pakistan.”
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