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Ghamidi@geo.tv
submitted 3 months 7 days 5 hours ago by: Iola : 119 commentsHas anyone seen that program 'Ghamidi?'
I mean it's good. I like the way this man thinks. Saw it yesterday at something like 11 pm at GEO. He was talking about the concept of a nation found on democracy and that not all democratic nations are fully so. He also felt that laws should be made on the basis of majority and at the same time others should have the right to give opposing views.
I have heard very few analysts make much sense but this one is really well-read and has clear ideas and concepts of what our nation needs.
Must See! 5 Stars from me!
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'Idiot' .. as most of the sunnis point him out :)
I am not a religious person but have always liked watching this guy. I would say that this person has got me interested in deeper knowledge of Islamic faith.
5 stars from me too.
Plant a tree
You are going on the path of satan Babar :p
provided there is one ;-) Search in progress!!!
Plant a tree
Dont assume it to be like Canal Road :p
'nanagy shaitan' - I hear the title of new pakistani film.
Will definitely look into it.
Search is on.
Let me know of all prospective locations that you know of.
Plant a tree
He speaks very nicely. But some of his concepts are very confusing specially regarding veil in Islam
and what are they Sophi :)
TheSophisticated,
What is his take on veil in Islam?
Plant a tree
I thought he had very clear stances on issues. By the way, this one that I had watched wasn't about Islam at all.
And Sophisticated, I too have no idea about his concepts of Islam and veil. Would love to know. Of course that doesn't mean that I will eva take it. :)
PostMan, why do sunnis call him an 'idiot'?
that he brings 'logic' in interpretation of Quran instead of Hadiths. That he says that top 4 Imams of sunni faith are 'humans' and they can commit mistakes. That he has the same tools as any other learned person of the past (Quran) so he can 'think' too.
I did not understand what point you have made
Basically the argument against him is that 'everyone' has the right to understand Quran in his own way. That Haditha are not a prime source of Quran understanding, you can use logic as well.
Yes prime source is Quran and ahadieth help to understand Quran.
Not all sunnis, some hardliners ones
Plant a tree
I wont have deep knowledge about Islam but I try to dig as much as I can. I could be wrong but this is my own thinking and perception.
Islamic scholars from different school of thoughts come on tv and express their views on Islamic concepts. Some are called rigid or conservative and some are liberal. Do remercer that these have their own definition of conservative or liberal Islam. Ghamdi belongs to the liberal school. He presents the Islamic concepts in a very lenient way to make them understand for everyone.
In one of his program regarding veil, he says that except your hands and foot, whole body should be covered. And it depends on the person whether she likes to cover her face or not. There is no compulsion on her but it is afzal if she covers her face. While other scholars says that covering face is obligatory in Islam. There is no option in this regard. Both present same Quranic verses and Ahadieth and interpret them with their own views. Same conradiction is here on putting nail polish.
Now the persone like me will surly be confused. These people dont have consensus even on the Islamic concepts. That's why I avoid to listen Islamic discussions on tv halan k aik saal pehlay tak mai Islamic channels baray shok se dekhti thi
Totally understandable Sophisticated :)
This confusion prevails and will prevail. Remember - you have to
decide for yourself what should be done because its is YOU who will be
responsible for your acts and no one else. So what should be done?
6:114 - Say: "Shall I seek for judge other than Allah? - when He it is Who hath
sent unto you the Book, explained in detail." They know full well, to whom We have
given the Book, that it hath been sent down from thy Lord in truth. Never be then of those
who doubt.
I watched one of his program about State Control and responsiblities of states. He says that there does not exists any concept of democracy in Islam. I dont know why but I could not digest it and I could not find time to do some reserach on it
Frankly, what I gather from his statements is that he supports democracy.
how comes?
He discusses State, its responsibilities, of parliament, of collective decision making.. what else is democracy?
he was talking about the Khalafat not the democracy
So he was supporting khilafat and not democracy? How did he define a khilafat?
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I dont remember exactly but he was like "there should be a Jamaat who can appoint a Khalifah"
Mager khalifah to buzy hai aaj kal....Can that jamat appoint a post man????
ab agar mein nein postman ki jaga 'messenger' likh dia to Sophisticated nein mera qeema kerna hay mianjee! :p
absolutely
Postman: I many times felt that you try to make HADITH lesser valued though it is the guiding material. Ghamidi did a complete program on TADVEEN HADITH ( hadith compilation) in which he gave very logical replies about normal doubts about hadiths ..Please watch it , it is availabel in DVD..
Sophi: different people have different understanding as the IMAMs had...so no point to get worried...
I value Quran more than anything. I find Prophet Muhammad to be supporter of Quran. I find God to be supporter of Quran.
Prophet Muhammad on Judgement day will not complain that PostMan did not give due consideration to hadiths. though he will complain about abandoning Quran..
25:30 - Then the Messenger will say: "O my Lord! Truly my people took this Qur'an
for just foolish nonsense."
Ghamidi or Zakir Naek - they are men of knowledge whom one should listen. Unfortunately they will not save me on judgement day. I have my own head.
Postman: you are right...one should use his own head...I myself dont believe in Moliviological provision that a person with less knowledge should not think and ponder..Quran is the most authentic source of instructions but this doesnt restrict you to believe in hadith..rather ahadith mubarikah support the quranic view and tell us the implimentation of that instruction..there are many points which are not well described by quran..so for the understanding we go to ahadith...after all PBUH's verdict is more important than our own understanding..
:)
Look Mianjee.. I am no where belittling you for your faith in hadiths. Sophisticated has just quoted verses (below) to prove this.
Lets say my opinion has 'changed' over the years. I have studied a bit. The result is that my faith in Quran has grown stronger and stronger.
Mianjee: "ahadith mubarikah support the quranic view and tell us the
implimentation of that instruction..there are many points which are not
well described by quran..so for the understanding we go to ahadith"
And I have the totally opposite experience :) Unfortunately we do not 'trust' Quran. Remember the travel prayer buzz? Nobody believes the verse!
Happy believing :)
you mean Ahadieths are opposite to Quranic versus (nauzubillah)?
And you are talking about the travel prayers....please consult Quran, then its tafseer and Bukhari shareef. You will be cleared on travel prayers that these are allowed and Prophet (PBUH) has offered them. Do remember that he is the Prophet to whom you follow while offering prayers. He has taught us how to offer prayers. If you dont believe him then what you read in the replacement of Due-e-Qanoot in Isha prayer? have you found it in the Quran?
It may sound strange but most do.
Look. I am not here to 'disturb' your belief. I am not challenging your beliefs either because this is not the forum.
Prophet did not tell us how to pray - people were already offering prayers before the time of Prophet Muhammad. You can check my blog for surther info.
Regarding travel prayers.. solve the problem for me Sophi.. Quran says there is no travel prayer so I believe Prophet did not offer them. You say Prophet offered travel prayers becasue you have references. Whom should I believe?
Exactly Mianjee! I felt it too. Allah has Himself given weightage to His beloved Prophet (S.A) then who are we......
"He who obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah." [Qur’aan 4:80]
"Say: If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you sins." [Qur’aan 3:31]
"...And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad (sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam)) gives you, take it, and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it) , and fear Allah. Verily, Allah is severe in punishment." [Qur’aan 59:7]
"And obey Allah and the Messenger, that ye may obtain mercy." [Qur’aan 3:132] "And We sent down the Book to thee for the express purpose, that thou shouldst make clear to them those things in which they differ, and that it should be a guide and a mercy to those who believe." [Qur’aan 16:64]
"And We have sent down unto thee (also) the Message; that thou mayest explain clearly to men what is sent for them, and that they may give thought." [Qur’aan 16:44]
The message is very clear in all these Quranic verses.
Sophi: ""...And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad (sallallaahu `alayhi wa
sallam)) gives you, take it, and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain
(from it) , and fear Allah. Verily, Allah is severe in punishment."
[Qur’aan 59:7] "
This verse is used a lot in defence. Read the verses complete Sophi and you'll come to know that it concerns war bounty :)
59:07 - "That which Allah giveth as spoil unto His messenger from the people of the
townships, it is for Allah and His messenger and for the near of kin and the orphans and
the needy and the wayfarer, that it become not a commodity between the rich among you. And
whatsoever the messenger giveth you, take it. And whatsoever he forbiddeth, abstain (from
it). And keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is stern in reprisal."
59:08 - And (it is) for the poor fugitives who have been driven out from their homes and
their belongings, who seek bounty from Allah and help Allah and His messenger. They are
the loyal.
So you think that this Quranic versus is valid for war bounty only?
this quranic verse is talking about war bounty :)
Sophi: "Exactly Mianjee! I felt it too. Allah has Himself given weightage to His beloved Prophet (S.A) then who are we......"
So my giving more importance to Quran makes me give no importance to Prophet? :)
yes it seems to us and you above written comment seconded it
Unfortunate then :)
Prophet Muhammad was the annointed Prophet of God and the seal of Prophethood. He was blessed because he was given Quran. We are his followers.
POSTMAN YOU WROTE :
Prophet did not tell us how to pray - people were already offering prayers before the time of Prophet Muhammad. You can check my blog for surther info.
I OBJECT:
In post-Mohammed era there were alot of prayers to be offered in a day...If the procedure of the prayer was similar as it is today then it was impossible for people to do anything else...they were just able to pray all the day....
Moreover there is not a single verse in moses scripture or in chirtionity that their prayers were like ours...There is no narration of rakoo-sajood...So it is clear that PBUH told us they way to offer prayerJIHAD has a smaller narration in Quran becasue Quran gave a comprehensive view..PBUH elobrated that what are the DOs and DONTs of Jihad...Similarly about fasting, Marital life, etc etc
Mianjee: "In pre-Mohammed era there were alot of prayers to be offered in a day"
You referring to Prophet Moses and Prophet Muhammads meeting in the heavens? :) supposedly the prayers were 50 in number?
The religious duties were given to Prophet Abraham (2:128). Previous generations (before Prophet Muhammad) did Fast (2:183). Abraha attacked Kaba for which Sura Feel was revealed. Quraish were the keepers of Kaaba! Hajj was performed!!People actually prayed
8:35 - And their prayer before the House is nothing but whistling and clapping of hands;
taste then the chastisement, for you disbelieved.
SORRY : ABOVE IS ABOUT "PRE-MOHAMMED ERA" . MISTAKENLY I WROTE IT POST MOHAMMED ERA"
ya postman : it is about the fasting in quran that it was due on earliar ummats...but where is written about " tareeq--e-namaz"???? I am not referign to that Molviological concept but i am refering to current Jewish prayers which are not like us....These are changed...Similarly it is with christions....then which was a divine religon before mohammed other than these two???
In hajj there are many manasik which were done by only PBUH and there is no clue that it was earliar there...as " kissing the stone " and Nawafil at Muqam-e-Ibrahim, Gathering at Medan-e-Arfat, Even i couldnot get " stonning (rammi) " in teh old religon scriptures...Before PBUH there was no concept of tieing Ihram at a specific place out of Hamrain...It means there was only Tawaf and Qurbani in old hajj manasik....so your point regarding hajj is objectable
Mianjee.. when I ask you to stop at the red light at signal.. you do not ask me what is a red light and what is a signal. You know it. When Prophet Muhammad was told to say salat.. he knew how to offer it! thats why it is not in Quran. Prophet was sent to 'cleanse' the religious duties so to speak. For example Prophet Muhammad is told to remove idolworship from prayers..
20:14 - "Verily, I am Allah: There is no god but I: So serve thou Me (only), and
establish regular prayer for celebrating My praise
Generation before Prophet Muhammad were given religious duties but they lost then.
19:59 :Now there hath succeeded them a later generation whom have ruined worship and
have followed lusts. But they will meet deception.
Mianjee: "In hajj there are many manasik which were done by only PBUH and there
is no clue that it was earliar there...as " kissing the stone ""
Kissing the stome is not part of ritual. The basic elements of Hajj are described in Sura Hajj.
Postman....Hazrat Umer while kissing teh stone said" I am kissing it becasue PBUH did so otherwise you are nothing more than a stone" Have you learnt any one who didnt do these sunnat things in his/her hujj??? We do so beacsue PBUH did
For namaz please dont put assumptions....check bible and let me know where is a resemblence between our worship and their worship(prayer)...similarly check it with jews...In quran it is written that " aur rakoo kro rakoo kernay walon kay sath" is ka matlab hai keh yeh pehlay nahi tha??? similalry in quran it is said about sajjood..it means sajjod were not part of earliar ibadat.... in surah muzamil it is about "qayyam ul-lail" tou kia pehlay nabi qayyam-ul-lail nahi kerty thay????accept that with out explaination/example by Mohammad PBUH we were not able to perform many of our religous activities....
I know teh trafic singal becasue it is known since last 70 years...what about a person who 1st time saw that signal....??? moreover PBUH and allah communicated more that what is qritten in quran....that conversation is known as "Hadis-e-Qudsi" PBUH told us that becasue allah told him that
people make excuse that Hadith is not authentic...it is bakwas....They believe in 3000 Bc history...They believe in arstotle and his lycium of 3000 years back, they believe in julis ceaser and anthony and kalopatra of 3000 years back but they cant accpet hadith which is a matter of just 1400 years back....It is known history...
They argue that "hadith is not preserved by God..Quran was written earliar but hadith written laters , hadith should had been written at the time of PBUH" this objection is weak...beacsue was it possibel for prophet to say a word and righ after that he isntructing people to write it????
Even the Nukta daan cant advise the process of compilation better than the adopted one
I always get surprised to listen people saying that they believe in Quran only not in Ahadieth. How is it possible? Quran-e-Paak was transferred to us through our beloved Prophet (PBUH). If you don’t believe in Ahadieth, how could you believe in Quran? The source is same.
Mianjee: "For namaz please dont put assumptions.."
As I said religious duties were given to Prophet Abraham (2:128) , that people used to fast (2:183) - by the way christians still do. Fasting timings (2:187) and month (2:185) is mentioned in Quran. A 'new' relaxation was given by God (2:187) to copulate.
God tells us that generations lost 'salat' (19:59). The direction for prayers was set in Quran (2:144). So when God says that they existed before.. I say they existed before. I do not question God here!
Mianjee: "Have you learnt any one who didnt do these sunnat things in his/her hujj???"
Kissing the stone is not part of Hajj ritual. You perform all the acts as told and done by Prophet Abraham. Prophet Muhammad did not invent them.
Further, I consider Quran to be the prime source of religion! This was given to Prophet Muhammad! He was told to obey what was revealed in it or else he will be punished!
10:15 - Say: "It is not for me, of my own accord, to change it: I follow naught
but what is revealed unto me: if I were to disobey my Lord, I should myself fear the
penalty of a Great Day (to come)."
Prophet Muhammad was told to follow the religion of Abraham! He did not invent a new religion.
22:78 - ...He hath chosen you
and hath not laid upon you in religion any hardship; the faith of your father Abraham (is
yours). He hath named you Muslims of old time..