Ban Ahmadiyya sect?
submitted 2 months 1 day 14 hours ago by: Khalifah : 78 commentsIndonesia to ban Ahmadiyya Muslim sect
18/04/2008
22:07:11
Indonesia is drafting a decree that will ban a Muslim sect that has been branded heretical by most Muslims.
The Ahmadiyya sect views itself as Muslim but it has been branded a heretical group by the Indonesian Ulema Council, the secular country's highest Muslim authority, which has issued a fatwa against it.
A team with officials from two government ministries and the attorney general's office has recommended the government ban the sect because its teachings deviate from the central tenets of Islam.
The team's deputy head Wisnu Subroto says the religious affairs ministry, the home affairs ministry and the attorney general's office are drafting a joint decree that will require Ahmadiyya followers to return to mainstream Islam.
He says the draft is expected to be completed later this month.
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I thought there was 'no compulsion' in religion and governments anyway should not be involved in the business of persecuting their citizens
I think its time to ban mullahs the world over as they have done more damage and disservice to Islam than sectarianism
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Khalifah yaar Khalifa geeri na karo aur munafiqat choro.
Where were you hiding When Musharraf's regime banned Muslims to offer Prayers in Shah Faisal Masjid in Islamabad coz Tony blair was visiting the area? Why didn'tyou lecture Musharraf at that time that there was no compulsion in religion.
I don't consider Qadyanis as Muslims and by calling them "Ahmad"iya don't make them followers of Muhammad(saw) but I don't promote to ban someone'e belief just because others don't like it. The issue is hypocrisy which is pretty common in people like you who just seek excuse to bash Mullahs and then hibernate when same tactic is used by your own friends just because that tactic is used against Islam rather against anti-Islamic elements .
Khalifah yaar Khalifa geeri na karo aur munafiqat choro.
HMADIA JAMAT STARS FROM PUNJAB. THEY HAVE USED POOR PEOPLE AND
PROMISSED THEM TO SHIFTED THEM IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES. SO THEY HAVE
DECIDED TO MOVED TO GERMANY. I AM LIVING THERE SINCE LAST 25 YEARS.
AFTER SOMETIMES GERMAN GOVERNMENT HAS REALISED THAT PEOPLE OF PUNJAB
CAME HERE IN THE SHAPE OF GROUPS AND ASKING FOR ASYLM. INFACT THEY HAVE
MISS USED GERMAN GOVERNMENT THAT OUR LIFE ARE IN DANGOURE IN PAKISTAN,
AND THAT WE CAN NOT GO BACK, AS PAKISTANI GOVT. ARE AGAINST THIS
GROUPE. GERMAN WERE VERY INNOCIENT AND HAVE PROVIDED THEM FOOD SHALTERS
AND CLOTHES. GERMANS HAVE NOW MANY ECONOMICAL AND FININCIAL PROBLEMS,
SO ANGELA MERKEL THE CHANCELLOR OR GERMANY HAS BANN THOSE PEOPLE WHO
ARE DEPENDEND ON GERMAN GOVT. AND NOW THEY HAVE BANNED THIS AHAMADIA
JAMAT TOO. SO AHAMADIA GROUPS HAS LOST HIS POWER AND THEY ARE LIVING IN
GERMANY NOT BETTER THAN A DOG!!!
(unn kaa too face waisay hee doon-ee-yaa mai kala hoo raha hai BHAI LOOG)
!!!!!!!!ICH GLAUBE AN ALLAH UND AN SEINEM PROPEHT MUHAMMED PBUH. FOR TRANSLATION PLEASE VISIT http://translate.google.com/translate_t?sl=de&tl=en. ( I BELIEVE IN AALLAH AND IN HIS PROPHET MUHAMMED PBUH) AND I AM PROUD TO BE A MUSLIM AND LOVE MY RELIGION!!!!!!!!!
look my only question to you is if you beileve that we are wrong jamaat and aer against the will of allah and his prophet hazrat mohammed(pbuh) then tell my why why is our jamaat all aorund the world and callled the true jamaat apar from the people who call them selves muslims but are not actually.
and if we were wrong why has god helped us to you know get on the right path.. obvoisly you beileve we are false jammat so would you please tell me.
In this age if you have to see this in the world you wonder what is going to come next! We thought the age of enlightment had already come. Seems like it is still years away.
I totally agree to adnan siddiqui's comment about Qadyanis..........Mr.Khalifah.....bolnay aur likhnay say pehlay yeh samjh lo......achee tarhan kay kia kehnay ja rahay ho...ya tumharee islamic knowledge kitnee vast hai......Ek baat aur...mullah aur ulema ka farq samjho......tumharay parents ka nikah kis nay parhaya thaaa................tumharay kaan main azan kis nay de......kia tum ko vuzo kay farz pata hai....ghuzal kay farz pata hain...namaz ke imamat karnay ka pata hai...namaz-e-janaza parhanee atee hai........meary bhai.....main koee maulvi nahee hooon.......sirf ek aam sa musalman hooon......kabhee kisse qadyani kay sath betho ho......us ko deen per itnee command hai kay agar us say behes karo gay to underwear geeli ho jayee gee tumharee paseenay say.......meray bhai...qadyanion per saray maulvis ka unanimous decision hai kay woh log musalman nahee hain....history parho kabhee un kay leader kae......mujhay nahe epata kay tum qadyani ho ya kisse aur sect say.....sirf is blog ko alive rakhany kay liyeye ya apnee publicity karnay kay liyeye plss na likho.....you are like a brother to me..............these are very touchy issues......Allah tala nay Hazrat Muhammaed Mustufa (SAW) (PBUH) ko apna mehboob kaha..........un ko tamam jahanaoo kay liyeye rehmat bana kar bheja....tum ko aur mujhay ya ghulam ahmed qadyani ko apna mehboob kuon nahee kia................... samjho...phir likho........
"Where were you hiding When Musharraf's regime banned Muslims to offer Prayers in Shah Faisal Masjid in Islamabad coz Tony blair was visiting the area? Why didn'tyou lecture Musharraf at that time that there was no compulsion in religion."
This point is pretty pathetic and I am not sure how you equate this to decades of abuse suffered by Qadiyani's in Indonesia and elsewhere
"tumharay parents ka nikah kis nay parhaya thaaa................tumharay kaan main azan kis nay de......kia tum ko vuzo kay farz pata hai....ghuzal kay farz pata hain...namaz ke imamat karnay ka pata hai...namaz-e-janaza parhanee atee ha"
All of the above can be found and regurgitated from hadith; you don't need someone who derives income from selling religion to perform these rituals
qadyanion per saray maulvis ka unanimous decision hai kay woh log musalman nahee hain
First of all Maulvis are not part of Islam, secondly even if Qadiyani's are not muslims, they still have the right to practice their religion whatever it may be
I would advise both of you to please pick up the Quran and read it. It is not just for decorating your house.
Khalifah brother........are you a qadyani.......If you are a qadyani...then have the courage to accept on this forum....
then we will discuss what is right and what is wrong......
By the way......muslims never ever force any one to abandon their religion nor they stop any one from practicing their religion.....Muslims never stopped christians, hindus,jews, sikhs etc to practice their religion even in Pakistan.....
Qadyani is not even a sect...........
Once again...if you are Qadyani then please have the guts to admit it bro...
I am neither a Qadiyani, nor a Sunni, nor a Shia, nor do I belong to any other sect.
I follow Islam according to my interpretation of the Quran not some ancient Mullah's or Imam's; may God forgive them for the sectarianism they have introduced in Islam
"By the way......muslims never ever force any one to abandon their religion nor they stop any one from practicing their religion.....Muslims never stopped christians, hindus,jews, sikhs etc to practice their religion even in Pakistan....."
This is precisely what I am pointing out...we don't practice what we preach. In Indonesia and Pakistan for that matter, Qadiyani's and Shia's are discriminated against, their mosques are targeted and their life and property threatened ... just because they don't happen to believe what we believe.
When was the last time a NEW Temple, Church or Gurduwara was built in Pakistan?
Brother Khalifah....
When was the last time a temple, gurdwarah and church was demolished in Pakistan.
How many times a mosque, gurdwarah and church was demolished in India...
Every muslim sect and sub sect......have unanimous decision that Qadyanis are non muslims........they are like termites...they hide within us...and then cause harm to us...
Do you know...that you will be paid a very huge amount and nationality of any country of your choice...if you marry a qadyani.........
Do you just read news selectively?
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE2DD113BF93BA35751C1A964958260&sec=&spon=
http://www.pluralism.org/news/article.php?id=12669
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006%5C01%5C04%5Cstory_4-1-2006_pg7_58
http://www.ahrchk.net/ua/mainfile.php/2005/1357/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3399479.stm
If Qadiyani's are non muslims, does that mean they need to be persecuted?
Whatever happened to live and let live?
Do you know...that you will be paid a very huge amount and nationality of any country of your choice...if you marry a qadyani........."
How is this a bad thing?
I think the point Khalifah is trying to make is valid and misunderstood by both Last.wish and AdnanSiddiqui.
The issue is freedom of religious expressions. Islam has time and again emphasized on religious freedom and no one has any right to condemn it. If we choose to condemn others then we should not raise slogans against other religions and countries condemning us.
As for Adnan's argument, that was a short term security issue and has less relevance to the current topic.
Khalifa, how banning Muslims to offer prayers in a Pakistani Masjid is different than qadyanis ban in INdonesia. Calm down and don't get emotional. both are same. If you can't comprehend it then not my fault. May be because your BP was high at that moment and you were being over zealous.
amer, i got what he was trying to say and I ask you to read my comment again before concluding something.
I guess you didn't bother to view the attached link.
The pakistani ban was a one time ban and people were sure that if not today, tomorrow they would be praying in that mosque (one of several million mosques). In any case they also had the option of going to a different mosque.
The Qadiyani's on the other hand live daily in a state of fear. Neither their lives, property nor places of worship are safe. So I don't think a one time inconvenience of a few people even begins to compare to the plight of the Qadiyani's
Lift the veil of hatred that has blinded you
Khalifah....try to understand....
Freedom of religion is every ones right........but qadyanis have a very different view...
Tell me which muslim sect or its leader have claimed to take the place of our beloved prophet Hazrat Muhammed Mustufata(SAW) (PBUH)
Even Prince Karim Aga Khan...did not declared himself as the prophet after last prophet.
Syedna Burhanuddin leader of vohra community did not declared himself the prophet after the last prophet....
You are not trying to understand the point.......
In Pakistan jews,hindus,sikhs,christians etc have the right to practice their religion....they have a distinct religion....
have u ever heard that any jew,hindu,sikh,christian have tried to make a new religion or a sub religion......within their religion.........
Whereas ghulam ahmed qadyani.........announced himself to be the prophet after the last prophet of Allah........Qadayni is not a sect within a muslim....
They are totally against the kalima which is the first step towards to be a muslim....
I am sure that you know the translation of first kalima.......
Khalifah....try to understand....
Freedom of religion is every ones right........but qadyanis have a very different view...
Tell me which muslim sect or its leader have claimed to take the place of our beloved prophet Hazrat Muhammed Mustufata(SAW) (PBUH)
Even Prince Karim Aga Khan...did not declared himself as the prophet after last prophet.
Syedna Burhanuddin leader of vohra community did not declared himself the prophet after the last prophet....
You are not trying to understand the point.......
In Pakistan jews,hindus,sikhs,christians etc have the right to practice their religion....they have a distinct religion....
have u ever heard that any jew,hindu,sikh,christian have tried to make a new religion or a sub religion......within their religion.........
Whereas ghulam ahmed qadyani.........announced himself to be the prophet after the last prophet of Allah........Qadayni is not a sect within a muslim....
They are totally against the kalima which is the first step towards to be a muslim....
I am sure that you know the translation of first kalima.......
So let them practice what they want; how does it affect you or your faith?
Adnan, i read your comment, but the point is that muslims are not banned from praying or practicing their religion completely. The one time restriction for security reason (of which i'm not in favor of), is a tactical short term issue. You could compare this action with the ban imposed by France on wearing of scarves by muslim girls and i'm totally against that also, as that comes under violation of freedom of religous practice and beliefs.
Even then, i say, when our religion allows it, who r v 2 overrule.
By the way Adnan, i personally feel and have found (in my own humble experience) that other religions are more acceptable of our religion as compared to us muslims and especially from pakistan. Accept it or not, most of us (owing mainly to illiteracy) are fanatics with no tolerance for other religions and it pains me when we raise slogans in the name of religous freedom, when we do not practice the same.
Please accept this comment with a broad mind keeping in view the general populace, mainly illiterate.
TAIMUR .
AHMEDIYAAS are not muslims at all.MUHAMMAD(SAW) was the last and final NABI and rasoool of ALLAH .They should be banned and they should stop calling themselves muslims they r QADIYANIS NOT MUSLIMS.
@KHALIFAH
nice picture of baba G Khalifah are you that baba G ur self? I think khalifah wants that picture of baba G ahead of Dr.Irfan Zafer .LOL
The issue is not whether they are muslims or not. The issue is whether they should be free to believe whatever they want to believe without fear of persecution
The babaji is an Indian priest with a cell phone and a cigarette; unfortunately the picture is too small I will post it as a buzz :)
i would recommend all of you gals and guys to read the autobigraphy of a ex-Ahmadi - Shahid (www.suspectpaki.com
Or read here
http://forum.mpacuk.org/archive/index.php?t-33795.html
He wrote a comprehensive details of that so called relligion and i'm Alhamdulilah clear about Ahmadi's just being another fitna.
The validity of their religious beliefs is not under dispute here. Whether they have the right to choose their own religion or interpretation thereof, is
O my brother Khalifa :)
Trust me... no one even gives a damn to what you are saying :)
Mr. Adnan and I have alreay had it at Pakspectator ...There are so many errors in Last.Wish comment...
God bless everyone :)
It is the will of God that we must kill these infidels. May God give us the power to do so.
Why would God will so Jamal? :)
Dear All,
Our parliment declared them Non-Muslim in the time of Mr Bhutto becasue they thought it more dangerous> Qadyanies were misleading muslims with their preachings same as nowadays some of the Molvies are doing.
if a state thinks something against their IDEOLOGY then they have a right to ban it... That parliment has a representation of their people...Why there is a problem to khalifah or to any one else?
When turkish govt and french govt puts a ban on Hijab then no one writes a blog here...No one condemns the decision...Then every ABCD thinks that it is a right of a state....While it comes at the honor of Holy Prophet PBUH then every tom dick harry comesup with logics and enlightem views that muslims should do this and that...
Why there is a MUNAFIQAT in our attitude?
My name is Mirza Ghulam ahmed Qadyani. I was a muslim. But then I received funding from the Britishers, then I started stabbing the muslims by writing books which were meant to misguide them.
I was successful in gathering msulims around me by providing them money.
Last but not the least I died in the toilet and my face was in the WC.
Even after my death I was sucessful to introduce a new sect among the muslims and its spreading like anything.
Many of us have converted muslims into qadyanis by providing themmoney and nationality in USA,CANADA,UK etc.
If you want to lead a happy and prosperous life.....then become a qadyani. My followers will help you and you will reap the benefits. Also you will be provided with a beautiful wife.
So long weak muslims..........
Why is your faith so weak and why do you have so little understanding of your religion that you are threatened by other beliefs?
What gives you the right to proselytize even as you prohibit others from doing so?
There are around 50 mosques in my city alone (USA); how many churches are there in the whole of Pakistan?
And who made you the guardian of the prophet's honour?
KHALIFAH :
There are millions of muslims in USA but not millions of christions in pakistan...Have you ever visited Badshahi mosque? Adjecent to Mosque there is a Gurdawara of Sikhs. Since ages not a single stone thrown on that gordawara....What is it? Is it not a fair example of religious harmony?In front of mosque there is a SMADHI of ranjeet singh but no body destroyed it ....Is it not a proof of our mental matureity? The indian(with whom you are in love affair) destroyed Babri mosque but in pak not a single Munder was burnt in its retaliation....why? becasue we belive in religious harmnoy...
regarding QADYANIES: please note that there is "Ideology of End of Nabuwat" on which every muslim and every muslim state has to belive becasue it is a compulsion.
We all muslims are supposed to be guardian of Prohpets honor . it is amazing that if some one abuses your father then you will break his head but if some on goes against PBUH then you will try to show yourself as enlighten moderate muslim.
Dear khalifah we all love you but we dont want you to go against Islamic basics while posing yourself a libral muslim...
Regarding bannign qadyanies: please be advised that we have a refrence of muslims history in this context:
PBUH expelled Marwan Bin Hakam from Madina becasue of his SHARPASAND tabiat and his conspiracies against 1st muslim state. PBUH ordered him to live 1 mile away from Madina. Hazrat Abu baker sent him 2 miles away of madina and hazrat Umer sent him 4 miles away of madina...(he was called back by hazrat usman and he was the man who conspired against hazrat usman and led KHAWARJIES)
(khlifat aur malookiat : Abu Ala Modoodi)
Do you think PBUH was afraid of his ideology and concepts(nauzbillah)? Similarly Qadyanies were Sharpassand and was deviating inncocent so they were banned.
correct me where I am wrong mianjee...
The biggest sin in front of God is what? If you say 'shirk' (idolworship) then you and I think alike. (Quran - 31:13)
That means if you are comparing a christian who believes in trinity and a Qadiyani who says God is one (but my prophet is someone else) - who should be more cause of concern for you?
Postman:
Both are non-believers for me....Do you think if some one doesnt belive in PBUH he can be a muslim? There is no doubt in PBUH's being last prophet...if some one adds up some one other in that list then it is against our belief..There may be many prophets and messanger of Allah befor PBUH which we are not known to , but it is clear that there no other messanger can come except hazrat Essa A.S who will be re-sent.
It is unfortunate that Allah has stopped helping the Muslims in this
age against the infidels. The infidels are ruling the world while
Muslims are humiliated. No matter we must help ourselves and prove to
Allah that we don't need His help. We will destroy the infidels with
our own might. Only the weak among you will wait for Issa. We don't need the Jewish Prophet to show us the right path and save our souls. We will do this without his help. We will do this with the power of the sword and the power of Quran. Issa we don't need you. Stay in paradise. We will join you shortly.
Mianjee,
below are some links from my earlier post about Pakistani tolerance of other faiths. And do you close your eyes everytime the Shia's are massacred?
There are not 'millions' of muslims in my CITY; the number of mosques I was talking about are in my city alone;across America there are thousands of mosques.
Pakistani Christian population is over 2 million
See, don't just believe what the Islamic padri's tell you
If the Qadiyani's don't believe in the end of nabuwat, how does that effect the prophet's honor?
A lot of historians contest the truth of events in the story you related; however, even if it is true, it is not relevant in this argument since Marwan can be considered a conspirator who did not differ in ideology but was driven by ambition
The Qadiyani's on the other hand, openly differ in their interpretation of Islam and their opinion has no bearing on my beliefs. I am not sure who these 'people' are whom the Qadiyani's mislead; but men of such weak faith have no place in Islam anyways.
I thought people were free to choose their religion? The great thing about this freedom is that it cleanses Islam of would be hypocrites since they are free to openly become members of another faith.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE2DD113BF93BA35751C1A964958260&sec=&spon=
http://www.pluralism.org/news/article.php?id=12669
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006%5C01%5C04%5Cstory_4-1-2006_pg7_58
http://www.ahrchk.net/ua/mainfile.php/2005/1357/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3399479.stm
Jamal Ibrahim,
"The infidels are ruling the world while
Muslims are humiliated"
You chastise them for what you yourself want, that is, to rule the world!
We need to give up this fantastic notion that muslims lost power because they became corrupt and moved away from the tenets of Islam. Muslims lost power because they made stratetic blunders and lost their edge in education. Every 'evil' that occurs is not a punishment from God but can also be a trial.
"Then Job arose, and tore his robe, and shaved his head, and fell down on the ground, and worshiped. He said, "Naked I came out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return there. God gave, and God has taken away. Blessed be the name of God".
Dear Mianjee...
First clarify what muslim means.. a muslim does not necessarily mean a believer in Prophet Muhammad, he could be ANYONE who submits to God. The term muslim was first used for Prophet Abraham. Prophet Muhammad did not 'create' islam.. he was the last of the prophets... which basically means no guidance after Quran..
22:78 - And strive in His cause
as ye ought to strive, (with sincerity and under discipline). He has
chosen you, and has imposed no difficulties on you in religion; it is
the cult of your father Abraham. It is He Who has named you Muslims
Prophet Muhammad and followers were asked to follow religion of Abraham...
2:130 - And who forsakes the
religion of Ibrahim but he who makes himself a fool, and most certainly
We chose him in this world, and in the hereafter he is most surely
among the righteous.
So when you say "Both are non-believers for me....Do you think if some one doesnt belive in PBUH he can be a muslim?" I will have to quote you what Quran states above.
Brother mianjee.. the salvation criteria in front of Allah is not in which Prophet you believe in.. rather whether you commit idiolworship (shirk) or not...
2:62 - Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever
believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their
reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they
grieve.
I guess God is less biased than us. 'ANYONE', be that a hindu, budhist, qadiyani, a tribe in Congo, if believes that there is only one God, does good deeds and believes he/she will be accountable for their deeds.. Allah says they should have no fear...
Now tell me how do I make God understand?
Read my post at http://think-islam.blogspot.com/2008/03/muslim-or-kafir.html to know what I am talking about...
DEAR POST MAN:
You are trying to re-invent the wheel. So many books, logics and intellectual work has been done on Qadyaniat that we dotn need to discuss it again..you can read work of Molana maudoodi, mufti mehmood , Sttar khan niazi which i think were not JAHIL ULMA.Consult a progressive scholar like jawaid ghamizi or professor khurshid if you want to avoid PADRIES ....Have their consent on that if a person can be a muslim without beliving in PBUH as last messanger of allah.
DEAR KHALIFAH:
2 millions in 160,000000 makes just 1.25% of total population and mind it that i dont go to any padri etc to seek figures....Chrisitions in pakistan have more liberty than christions of india..Here in every christion vicinity they have their churches and they were never burnt....Years ago a church in muree was attacked after tha no violance seen.
You are telling me to not consult padries but you are qouting me reference of international media which always remains against us...In my office there are 7 christions and we all eat togather, live togather. Dont put blames on us..Things have been changed..
dear mianjee...
2:62 - Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their
reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.
What is your opinion of this verse?
I call my Muslims brothers to Jihad. Pick up your swords and kill the infidels. Aljihad Aljihad! Remember you will be judged by the number of infidels you kill.
damn! my ancestoral sword was sold! frying pan would do?
JAMAL IBRAHIM : thori raiat kro yar....sword ka pistol say kia moqabla
Postman: Is it 2nd surah and 62 verse???
G sarkaar...
POSTMAN. You are qouting out of context. Before this AYAT and after This ayat Allah is talking about moses and his nation..If for the sake of argument we accept thsi ayat without refrence even then this ayat doesnt tell that the said persona will be treated as muslim...They will be rewarded on TAUHEED and on BELIEF in AKHIRAT but it is not mentioned they will be enterned in Heaven.
As previously we were talking about , If a person can be mulsim with out belief on PBUH and his being last prophet...That question is still there...
Find below Ayaat:
mohmmed is not father of any of your men, but he is the messanger of allah and the last of the prophets and allah is ever aware of every thing(surah 33-alahzab , para22)
Can there be any thing more clear than this verse about "KAHTM-E_NABWAT"?
So tell me what is the context then mianjee :) By the way.. the same verse is at 5:69 go through it too.
This verse is a context in itself... it does not require contexts of previous or after verses.
mianjee:"If for the sake of argument we accept thsi ayat without refrence even
then this ayat doesnt tell that the said persona will be treated as
muslim"
Nobody is talking about being muslim. We are talking about salvation. God will not check the label of "muslim' rather will see whether you had the 3 stated features.
mianjee:"...They will be rewarded on TAUHEED and on BELIEF in AKHIRAT but it is not mentioned they will be enterned in Heaven."
The verse states they dont have to worry! it indicates salvation! that means paradise mianjee!
mianjee: "
mohmmed is not father of any of your men, but he is the
messanger of allah and the last of the prophets and allah is ever aware
of every thing(surah 33-alahzab , para22)
Can there be any thing more clear than this verse about "KAHTM-E_NABWAT"?"
Nothing can be more clear than this verse regarding finality of prophethood :) Where does this verse state that you will not attain salvation if you do not belive in Prophet Muhammad? :)
Postman,
004.136
O ye who believe! Believe in Allah and His Messenger, and the scripture which He hath sent to His Messenger and the scripture which He sent to those before (him). Any who denieth Allah, His angels, His Books, His Messengers, and the Day of Judgment, hath gone far, far astray.
Now back to the original question; we do not have the right to discriminate against anyone, no matter what they believe in. Lakum deenukum waliya deen
POSTMAN:
Regrading your 2nd question (belief is incomplete with out belive in PBUH) there is a famous AYAT : Surahj AAL Imran Ayayat 31-32
"Say (O mohemmed to mankind) If you really love love allah then follow me , allah will loev you and forgive you your sins and Allah is oftforgiving and most merciful" "Say (O mohammed) obay allah and His messanger Mohammed , but if they turnaway then allah doesnt like disbleivers"
Another clear ayat from Surah Fatah:Ayat 10
"In order that you (o man kind) may believe in allah and hsi messanger (PBUH) and that you assist and honor him(PBUH) glorify allah 's praise in morning and afternoon"
Suarah Muhammed Ayat 33.
"o you who believ , obey allah and obey messanger and render not vain your deeds"
KHALIFAH:
As ahmdies were declared Non-muslim becasue of their belief so after that as a minority they have their rights in pakistan. They have their headquarter at Rabwa, they do preach for their religon, Qadyanies are not being killed here...Islamic state owns right to abolish such activities who are harmful for ideology as Masjid Zarrar was demolished becasue it had become a place to d-track muslims.
But why doesnt Allah help the Muslims anymore. I can't do this alone. God, where is your help??? Where are you O God of the Muslims??? Can't you see, can't you see?
God helps those who help themselves, Jamal
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